BrahimHemdani
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Again as Rangersitis points out the flag would have dropped automatically (although I have questioned how quickly that would have happened) and it didn't matter if Celtic knew because it wasn't necessary to protest. There is also the question of why UEFA didn't ask the question of Legia when they received the earlier registrations but again it's not really up to them it's up to the Club to register who they want to register.
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As Rangersitis points out they didn't have to appeal in this case; that only aplies for an ineligible player not a suspended player and like it or not tecchnically the player was suspended because he wasn't registered to serve the ban earlier. Crazy but true.
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Unlike you to be so pedantic! If away goals count double in the event of a tie, effectively it was 5-4. I made the point about the penalties in the sentence you quoted.
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I have just found the rule and you are spot on. http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/UEFACompDisCases/02/11/23/49/2112349_DOWNLOAD.pdf (Page 15, sorry doesn't copy very well.) There is no leeway in this case, the rules have been correctly applied and any appeal seems bound to fail.. That is probably why they went ahead with the draw as they did because there is no "may be" about it. Rangersitis 1 ESPN 0.
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No, they lost the tie 5-4, so go into the ELQ4.
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Now on UEFA's site: Friday 8 August 2014 12.17CET Legia forfeit Celtic match The UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body has met today and announced the following disciplinary decision following the 2014/15 UEFA Champions League third qualifying round tie in Edinburgh between Celtic FC and Legia Warszawa on 6 August 2014. Legia have been sanctioned for fielding a suspended player (article 18 of the UEFA Champions League regulations and article 21 of the Disciplinary Regulations). The match has been declared as forfeit meaning Legia Warszawa have lost the match 3-0. As a consequence, Celtic have qualified for the UEFA Champions League play-offs on away goals (agg: 4-4) and Legia will compete in the UEFA Europa League play-offs. In addition the player Bartosz Bereszynski has been suspended for one additional UEFA competition match for which he would be otherwise eligible. This suspension shall be added to the remaining two match suspension which the player still has to serve in accordance with the Control and Disciplinary Body decision of 13 February 2014.
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Even worse they are now GUARANTEED group stage games in one of the competitions; becuase if they lose to Maribor they'll drop into the EL. Of course if they beat Maribor, we'll never here the end of that either.
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The CL regulations are nightmare http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/79/68/69/1796869_DOWNLOAD.pdf but as far as I can see the issue is registration in the squad rather than for any particular match; ESPN seem to have it spot on.
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Yes I can see all that happening and UEFA's use of the term "sanctioned" rather than any reference to a disciplinary case or protest supports your theory, so when UEFA get the team lines for the second leg v Celtic the flag drops on the player because technically he still has two matches of his ban to serve. May well be exactly what happened. But this still implies that all this happened at the speed of light, possible if as I said the team lines were submittted electronically, otherwise it still leaves a lingering doubt about the procedure. This is quite helpful Celtic have been reinstated in the Champions League after Legia Warsaw were ejected from the competition for fielding an ineligible player, UEFA has announced. Polish side Legia won their third qualifying round tie against the Scottish champions 6-1 on aggregate, but were found to have fielded an ineligible player in the second leg on Wednesday night by European football's governing body. Bartosz Bereszynski, who was an 86th-minute substitute at Murrayfield, was sent off for violent conduct against Apollon in the final match of Legia's Europa League campaign last season. The full-back missed both of Legia's matches against St Patrick's in the second qualifying round and sat out the 4-1 first-leg victory over Celtic. Celtic have been drawn against Maribor in the play-off round. UEFA's investigation centred on whether the player was registered in Legia's squad against the Irish side in order to allow a three-match suspension to take effect. Champions League regulations state that players must be registered with UEFA within requested deadlines and that "only eligible players can serve pending suspensions." UEFA's disciplinary regulations say a match may be forfeited if an ineligible player participates, "as long as the opposing team files a protest". Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/330605.html#Ad7DzXygkrT1q3AM.99 So again it goes back to how did Celtic know to file the protest?
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I still don't see a Report of the procedure on UEFA's site but this has been added to the match report. Following the conclusion of the tie, Legia Warszawa were sanctioned for fielding a suspended player (article 18 of the UEFA Champions League regulations and article 21 of the Disciplinary Regulations). The match was declared as forfeit, meaning Legia lost the second leg 3-0. As a consequence, Celtic qualified for the UEFA Champions League play-offs on away goals (agg: 4-4) and Legia went into the UEFA Europa League play-offs. The original match report is below.
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Excuse me but don't you mean he can and should have been registered but was NOT "eligible" to play or would not have been eligible to play until the second leg v Celtic.
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See #159, I think that was a slip and he means "registered".
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Yes I can see that although I think you mean regsistered rather than "listed as an eligible player" or perhaps the first time he would have been regsitered as listed and eligible since Apollon but I get the point. However, that still leaves the question of when the flag would go up against his name at UEFA HQ (unless the tem lines are submitted electronically it wouldn't be immediate) and still leaves my first two questions unanswered.
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I think the problem with that line is that the award of the tie 3-0 is within the Rules; but it didn't necessarily knock Legia out. If they had scored one of the penalties in the first leg, they would still be through 5-4.
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You would think that Ludogorets Razgrad of Bulgaria, surprise conquerors of Partizan Belgrade on two away goals wouldn't be best pleased either because Celtic going into the draw as seeds pushed them down to the non-seeds and a very difficult tie against Steaua Bucharest.
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I don't usually side with the conspiracy theorists but I can see at least three other questions that need answered here: How did Celtic come to know that the player had not been regsitered and thus not served part of his served his ban v St Patricks; I mean it's not even something you would think that St Patricks would have been looking for? If UEFA knew that the suspended palyer had not been regsitered v St Patricks; why would they not tell Legia; I mean you could argue that it's not up to them but equally they shouldn't knowingly be party to a situation where a player's suspension is elongated due to an administrative error. If UEFA didn't know about it until Celtic drew it to their attention; why didn't they know about it?
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Yes it seems so, but what of the Derbrecen precedent? Also, whilst the offence is clear, the intention (and in this case the ludicrous outcome) MAY have a bearing.
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I think this is a very important point in their favour, which one hopes they grasp at Appeal. By not registering him in the previous round effectively they elongated his supsension by two games, no Club with any sense would do that (unless perhaps it was Rangers for Mohsni if he's still with us heaven forbid when we get back to Europe).
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There is nothing new in this at all. A complete non story.
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UEFA might even support an Appeal against themselves as the outcome is so embarrassing. UEFA can appeal against themselves as happened to us over certain chants.
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Whilst the decision to award the tie to Legia 3-0 may well be strictly in accordance with the Rules it is well worth an appeal as the player DID serve his 3 game ban and Legia did not gain any advantage from him coming on.
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That's such a poor comment that it is beneath even description as being in bad taste.
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Very good point, I missed that. The only thing is that it would be better from a Scottish point of view if they won one or two EL qualifiers than lost both CL qualifiers; but you are perfectly correct. Too early in the morning and I didn't see the wood for the trees. I have taken the liberty of adding a sentence to #101 and credited you accordingly.
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That's correct. There are two issues here. Did an ineligble player participate in the match? What punishment would be appropriate? The actual result on the field of play may or may not be taken into account in deciding on the punishment; though there appears to be a precedent for that, the actual circumstances of any breach this time will be the most relevant factor I would think.
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Laws Of The Game: What Changes Would You Make?
BrahimHemdani replied to Hildy's topic in Rangers Chat
One way to deal with that would be to revert to the "golden goal" scenario in ET; certainly would have been appreciated on Tuesday. I don't like artificially removing players.