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I think you're right, I think he will. I just think he has made yet another mistake. If we were playing good football consistently and weren't a shambles in teh league fair enough. But for me he is no better than Eck who took a hell of a lot of criticism.

If you see the way the official site reports the issue they appear to beleive that the "reasons" have been explained: http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,5~959161,00.html Le Guen Gives His Reasons PAUL LE GUEN has indicated that Barry Ferguson will have to change his ways if he is to have a future at Rangers. The manager spoke out after today's 1-0 win over Motherwell and gave his reasons for stripping the midfielder of the captaincy and dropping him from the matchday squad. Barry FergusonThe Frenchman revealed that in his opinion Ferguson was not carrying out his duties as captain in a proper manner and therefore the only option was to appoint Gavin Rae in his place. It was not a decision Le Guen took lightly and while aware of the fans' frustrations, believes in the long term it is the correct decision for his team. Paul told Rangers.co.uk: "It was a hard decision for me to make regarding Barry but in order to get a good team bonding it was one I felt necessary. "I knew it would not be a popular choice but I had to do it. "A captain must set a good example and I don't think this was the case. He must try to help his manager and team mates and again I didn't feel he was doing this. "When you feel that a player does not back you then any manager has a decision to make. "I don't know what the future holds, it remains to be seen. "I don't know if Barry wants to continue with us but if he does he will have to change his behaviour that much is clear. "It wasn't an easy decision and I know it will be tough, but I have to cope with that." Looks to me then like it is purely down to a personality clash and I think everyone has a right to question his ability to manage his players. I backed his management of Ricksen and Bardsley. But the way he has treated Boyd over Sebo has been pretty disgraceful imo. And now it seems he is treating our captain badly.

Your missing the point. No man is bigger than the club and that includes the manager as ultimately Murray is in charge.

Personally I hope that whatever has happened it is possible for Barry to "bite the bullet", "be the bigger man" whatever you want to call it and bows to PLG's greater authority. Just gets on with his job of playing football and playing well because we're a poorer side without him

As do managers. Especially one's who are unsuccesful and appear to have poor man management skills.

Telling people to "shut the fuck up" his hardly leaving people to it.

Is this the delbear school of debating too? People have every right to discuss it. Also what has Plg done since he's come here of a positive note. Very little and not nearly as much as the negatives. Gonna need to do a lot more than he already did to win back the fans.

True, I guess i'm trying to hold some hope that there is a way back.

There's life after PLG.

Maybe so. But he had an opportunity to clarify things there, but instead chose to say fuck all of importance. Treats the fans with no respect as he never tells us fuck all.

Never said whether he was up for sale or would play again either.

Don't think his comments there helped Rae out either. One of the worst man managers i've had any experience of in football.

After that interview I am currently in the Fergie camp. I want PLG to go before he forces our best player out the club. What does everyone else think atm.

Great that's sorted then, lets sign Beckham and scholes. Suprise suprise, PLg told us fuck all there. Something we're having to get used to with this manager. Ps was Ince dropped just because SAF "didn't like him".

As I said IF true. Dropping your best player because of a personal issue makes you an arse and a bad manager imo.

Billy Dodds quoted by bbc saying Fregie told he wont play for Gers again as long as he's there as he just doesn't get on with him. If that's true the man is an absolute arse.

1 bad game doesn't make him a liability either. The arguements to put down our best player (this isn't up for debate really, it shouldn't be he is) are pretty terrible to be honest. Anyone knocks PLg and its "whoa whoa whoa don't say anything before we know the facts". Yet it's open season on Barry, pretty poor double standards. Also sounds we're playing pretty pish with Rae in midfield (Can't see it ) . Masterstroke so far. And people thought Eck was tactically inept.

You say he needs another season, but are we even favourites for second now? (Which itself isn't good enough) I just dunno what to think. I knew he'd take time to settle I just didn't know he'd be worse than Eck.

But unfortunately he's gonna push Fergie out the club before he goes. We'll lose both of them. Fucking outstanding.

It went donwhill? In what respect. Yes we passed the ball nicely but still dropped points left right and centre. Sure you're not describing Hemdani re the passing? Also just a few short weeks ago Barry played Brown and Thomson off the park. And with the shambles our club is at the minute I'm now doubting we'll get either player in. So Fergie out Rae in. Fucking brilliant. Thank christ for Hearts the only team more of a joke than us right now.

Yet more guff posted on a football forum.

There aren't many CB' that slow?

Well I think we'll have to leave it there becasue I cannot see how you can deploy a sweeper in a flat back 4 and think Hemdani has been woeful at defending, in fact i'm not sure i;ve seen him doing nay.

But Pete the FB's aren't "marking noone". The opposition will attack with more than just the two forwards. The FB's will take the wide players with the CB's picking up the guys playing in their ares usually the two forwards. You're are right about the strikers if they play wide then the fb picks him up, but then another attacking player would move into the space left by the attacker and its up to the cb to pick him up.

Unashamedly (sp) stoledn from another site, but an interesting read: http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...977964,00.html With an American owner at the helm, the notion that democracy reigns at Aston Villa should hardly come as a surprise. However, even the most open-minded fans have been taken aback by a Villa director's willingness to post messages on supporters' websites, discussing everything from signing David Beckham and extending Martin O'Neill's contract to receiving sloppy kisses and the need for more comfortable women's underwear to be stocked in the club shop. Enter General Charles C Krulak. Randy Lerner's right-hand man, a former US Marine Corps Commandant and military adviser to the White House, has spent the past two months enlightening Villa fans with his candid and, more often than not, comedic views on internet message boards. Supporters could have been forgiven for dismissing "C Krulak" as an impostor when the name first appeared in October but club officials have confirmed this is not the work of a prankster. Indeed, in one of his early messages Krulak explains: "I am on this site because, like Randy, I truly care about what fans say and feel." It is a novel approach which Villa's supporters have warmed to, with the general's response to those applauding his contribution typical of the bizarre humour that characterises many of his messages. "Thank you!" he writes. "In the immortal words of that famous centre-half, Clint Eastwood, 'You made my day!'" Krulak's knowledge of football is clearly embryonic - he describes the strip he recently bought his "soon to be 94" father as "an Aston Villa game kit" and one supporter points out that he should be using the word "pitch" not "field" - but the 64-year-old does not mind being educated. "Thank you for the English lesson . . . and I mean that," he writes. "Last thing I want to do is appear to be some Yank who doesn't understand the King's or Queen's English." He is not completely in the dark on footballing matters, though. "We all understand who David Beckham is (remember, Randy and I lived and worked in the UK from 2000-2004 and Randy still has a home here . . . and we are both here very often)," he writes with regard to reported interest in the former England captain. "Becks is a great player and a huge name but we only want those that Martin wants. There is absolutely NO sense in telling the manager who to go after!" Krulak, who reveals that Lerner "is a brilliant musician . . . a guitarist that plays with some of the best ever", admits the owner could see dollar signs when he took over. He is not just after a quick buck, though. "Although Randy believes that we can make money at Aston Villa, he realises it is not a 'cash cow' and was never interested in that as a mission. With that as a given, he was and is taken by the tradition, ethos and 'soul' of the Aston Villa FC." His analysis of matches is not so eloquent. "Great win! oooohhhhrrr-aaaahhhh! I love it! Mon [Martin O'Neill] and his claret and blue army were superb!" he wrote after the 1-0 victory at Everton. Recent results have been less uplifting and Saturday's defeat to Bolton prompted him to describe the away match at Charlton tomorrow week as "must win". Krulak does admit on one website that he did not imagine that sending messages would be "so time-consuming" and, as a result, he now sets aside an hour daily to post comments. He encourages feedback and claims each suggestion "will have its day in court". He is also not afraid to ask supporters for advice, recently seeking help to find a website where he could view images of old kits, with the club apparently considering reverting to a more traditional design. According to Krulak, a new strip will not be the only noticeable change at Villa. "Stadium expansion: first the Holte Inn, then Holte End, then North End . . . just watch us," he writes. "Global brand . . . absolutely! As an example, we are on our way to Soccerex in Dubai just for that reason . . . we are looking into a foray into the Czech Republic and, obviously, we are looking at ways to expand closer to home . . . a year from now we will be in many locations that are just a dream now." As for the festive period, Krulak has four wishes. After "health for my family" and "safety for the troops deployed around the world", he hopes his presents will include "a continuing steady progress on the pitch for Aston Villa" and "a return of the fans". He has also been thinking pants. "How many women like to sit on a cold seat at Villa Park wearing a thong???" asks the general. "Hev", a "female fanatic" who offered Krulak a "sloppy kiss" for his postings, did not reply