A Horse With No Name

I'll take your word for it - to do different would mean trying to get my brain cells working again. Whatever the case it doesn't look like a big deal so hopefully BBC Scotland won't find anything else to drum up prior to all the stuff getting sorted.

Hard to believe not more people want TBK's to be honest.

I've had a few emails recently saying the link on various websites isn't working for the last updated spreadsheet file, but i've tried this one (pretty sure it was the last one i gave out) and it can be downloaded okay on my laptop. http://www.mediafire.com/?0ftl5tctpz8wzab Also, they inquired if the file's been updated recently. The file is ticking along beautifully (got all euro results inc too now) and I will maybe make it available in the future. If it is what I was thinking of doing is charging £8 for first timers and £4 for future updates. That would be done by me setting up a separate bank account with all the money going to The Rangers Supporters Trust or some other Rangers cause/group! I'll probably let everyone getting a copy put their choice of where the cash goes (then tally them up) and will make the bank account (and payments made to whatever the Rangers cause is) viewable to anyone who wants to see that all is well. I'll not be doing that for some time as fans cash is being stretched an awful lot at the moment! I'll just play it by ear but my thinking is the end of next season (if the demand is there) when we're SPL champions again!

So basically their registration had lapsed... I suppose it's a relatively easy mistake to make but hardly fills you with confidence - let's hope there's no more errors on their part because i'm pretty sure BBC Scotland will find them!

"It was effectively salary and should have been included in the players’ wage slips" 'Effectively'... 'should have been' both point to that being Hugh Adams' opinion HARDLY FACTUAL IS IT. If that's all the HMRC are gonna come out with then maybe we will win this big tax case. I had a lot of sympathy for Adam the way he was treated by David Murray for speaking out, but it's beginning to sound like he's a bitter man who has changed alliegances and now has joined the Septic minded... The way he's got his teeth into this would suggest he's looking for a job with BBC Scotland.

Confusing business all this, basically they forgot to notify the FSA... Question: Are Duff & Phelps new to Administration or is this a easy made error because of things outwith their control?

I understand the safety net thinking but I'd say it was a better safety net (for Rangers) to put all our eggs in the one basket! Getting a sore head thinking about this fella's rationale. I'm away for my dinner then work - got a feeking migraine now! :wahoo:

This is a great thread! Hope it all happens! One other point that highlights their piss poor attitude is that AFTER they were saved I'd say a lot of us were happy for the Celtic fans we knew, laughing and saying things like "it wouldn't be the same without your whining" etc now today even the thought of us staying in business has them almost foaming at the mouth. As my Pop used to say 'live and learn'!

Great stuff look forward to that! A wee suggestion on Celtic's past - why not have a wee cartoon picture of Parkead full to the brim circa 1980's with Paul Coia and Keevins in the foreground and Paul saying "another 20,000 crowd Hugh!" and you could have Keevins whistling in the air!

You should have phoned in and asked what are HMRC gonna do about all the cash that Celticfootballclub (copyright Tommy Burns) robbed from them by lying about gate receipts! We've not really heard much on that...

Exactly. Reading today in the papers the way he tried to negate his poor decision making by claiming EVERYONE was duped by Whyte was (for me anyway) sickening! In his own words HE WAS THE CUSTODIAN of Rangers and the responsibility was his alone! If he wanted to come out and say LLOYDS TSB MADE ME DO IT! we could maybe afford him a little leeway but to sit there saying he was just one of many who were fooled is garbage and insulting! He was in Charge of Rangers and I'm sure there's PLENTY of phrases from Bill Struth that would rip his excuses to pieces! I'm glad he had his lapdogs through there to make public his feelings but as expected he just wouldn't take the fall for HIS actions, as expected his ego just wouldn't contemplate the weight of his guilt! Glad he went to the papers but glad we won't be seeing him again at Ibrox! No wonder Dave King wouldn't go into his room - smug c**t sits telling people to come through to him! Sorry, but this has to be said DAVID MURRAY IS ONE ARROGANT BASTARD!

Very true! Best case being Jack Walker at Blackburn Rovers (last I read about them anyway). Thing is though the larger the ownership the more democratic the club. I know some will say it holds up decisions but in most cases that's best, and procedures can be put in place that speed up important decisions and actions.

That's very cynical of you! Question: if you had two choices to make would your choice be a) or b) a). We include Ticketus and deal them in, in return for them being patient to get their cash back. Therefore making a VCA much more likely. Or b) Tell them to sling it. Thereby saving £24 million, but with them digging their heels in a VCA would be nigh impossible thereby Rangers FC would die. Rangers Rovers 2012 'may' have an extra £24 million but 140 yrs would be over! I'll stick with a) because RANGERS FC are the ONLY team I'll ever support!

That's very cynical of you! Question: if you had two choices to make would your choice be a) or b) a). We include Ticketus and deal them in, in return for them being patient to get their cash back. Therefore making a VCA much more likely. Or b) Tell them to sling it. Thereby saving £24 million, but with them digging their heels in a VCA would be nigh impossible thereby Rangers FC would die. Rangers Rovers 2012 'may' have an extra £24 million but 140 yrs would be over! I'll stick with a) because RANGERS FC are the ONLY team I'll ever support!

Good stuff!

Brian says he'll make an offer for the club but hopes to be out-bidded as he doesn't want it but wants to make sure we don't die! That would be my point of view if I had that kinda money, but i'd've thought the best thing then is to join the Consortium putting the money onto a joint fund with the fans etc. I suppose it's a question of power and not wanting to be a bit part player...

BOTH! :-) As I say I'd imagine most of us in work could shove in a grand, but IF THEY WANNA MAKE IT AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE then I feel they'll need to change that to £500. I hope that clears up your confusion. Btw the reason I said there was prob a error is because the 2nd tier is down as including those above £1000 up to £500,000 and I 'think' it should have been £100,000 - £500,000... But then maybe I'm wrong? Pretty narrow tier the first one, if it's correct.

I agree. I think it would be better having shares at £500 a pop - if they wanna include more people! £500 is well in reach of everyone! I would see that changing tbh mate.

Seems fair and reasonable, 2nd tier for me (think you've made a wee error there mate!). To be honest most people that are working should be able to get a grand together.

I thought it an accurate statement. Just look at the reply about me having an agenda against him! I have an opinion and will argue it fairly and squarely, if you don't like it too obnoxious or whatever AS I SAID YOU HAVE A CHOICE either debate it or don't argue.! I'm pretty sure I said 'the possible exception of Greig". In some ways they are very similar both inherited great teams and both starts seemed successful enough. I'd say though that the squad Greig had was older and that he hardly got much to spend. Like McCoist he wasted a lot of cash on very average players! I'd still say McCoist is worse - if he stays you'll see, Ally has a huge disadvantage, he wants all the people to love him all the time!. THAT CANNOT EVER BE DONE! Why should the start of the season be put in context? Obviously you have to look at all factors in an equation! Pretty simple.

Had Lennon had to put up with what Ally has I suspect he'd've topped himself - that's if he really did suffer Depression! As a sufferer for the last 5 yrs or so I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT, more likely he has a Jesus complex! Only Celtic's control over the media has allowed him to stay in work! Can you imagine Ally putting the boot into a drunk Hibee fan and not a inch colomn of condemnation. When Ally mentioned about people getting their wee kick in now as they'll be payback I just pray he was talking about the recording of yellow teeth with EHD in the background! No doubt the Celtic PR machine wiill get behind him and say Racism is a part of Depression! I take onboard the point from DerBerliner about Celtic having enough for 3 decent teams - I say under WS we would have had the title wrapped up even without those 10 pts, because we wouldn't have went into freefall - it's like one of those athletic running contests, we tripped BUT NEVER GOT OFF OUR ARSES, while Celtic seeing that,n took heart and went for it! Also, as a lover of stats I find it very revealing that Celtic averaged (roughly speaking) as fouls as all teams, yet week in week out you see that and THEY DON'T GET HARDLY ANY YELLOW CARDS. While the same applies to us but we're probably top of the cards league! HARDLY TAKES A GENIOUS TO WORK THAT OUT and had WS been in charge that's an issue that would have been addressed - but then that's why they hated him so much. Rangers really should make that tape available!

This line about McCoist's Rangers having a great start to the season has to be seen in context! 1. The players just started the season playing the way they finished last season. It wasn't really that much to do with Ally and when the time came in matches to make changes he couldn't make the right ones. Occasionally it worked of (law of averages) course. When our important play maker Steven Naismith got injured it was time to shuffle the pack HE HADN'T A CLUE! People played in midfield that were full backs, players played because they put pressure on him etc etc, so many things he got wrong it was getting to the stage it was embarrassing! When that lad got injured the driving force FROM LAST SEASON was gone and Ally was shown to be inept, no longer could they take to the field and return to the default position! When other teams changed tactics he just couldn't see it or combat it. 2. Celtic were rank and European football just highlighted their woeful manager. 3. When it came to opposing teams we hadn't met for some time ALL THE OPPOSING MANAGERS took him to the cleaners! Not just European ones - jesus h, even Pressley looked like 'the choosen one' alongside Ally! 4. We really did ride our luck in sooooo many games. People will say I'm being overly harsh on Ally - I'm putting my POV and standing by it. If you don't want it to continue easy stop arguing with me. We at Rangers have high standards Ally knew that before he took the job.

Is there? One was CLEARLY a joke the other was offensive! I'm pretty sure McLauchlin wouldn't take the hint - he's far too engrossed in trying to damage and destroy Rangers FC! I'd say that Rangers hater is doing far more 'social damage' and causing much more worrying among Rangers fans than I am towards him by that sentence. Weigh up the damage done with a joke and what he is engaged in! Must say the level of reasoned debate I'm getting is very poor. Poor standard of debating skills I think.

Is there? One was CLEARLY a joke the other was offensive! I'm pretty sure McLauchlin wouldn't take the hint - he's far too engrossed in trying to damage and destroy Rangers FC! I'd say that Rangers hater is doing far more 'social damage' and causing much more worrying among Rangers fans than I am towards him by that sentence. Weigh up the damage done with a joke and what he is engaged in! Must say the level of reasoned debate I'm getting is very poor. Poor standard of debating skills I think.

If you'd have looked you would have seen a :-) So, you care about how the board appears yet feel it's ok to suggest someone was on medication (that was you I think?) Seems contradictory to me!