Super Cooper 0 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I ain't feeding no more. Put me back on ignore please. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,290 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I ain't feeding no more. Put me back on ignore please. You don't feed (some claim that), you evade the argument and debate. If wiki ain't your friend, check out the club's HP or the S(P)FL's. You find all the required info there. It says what McCoist said us, no more than 6 first team players joined the newco on a basis to play in the fourth tier. The rest of the so-called "full-time players" where hardly experienced pros or had any real competitive experience. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Cooper 0 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 You've been told you are wrong by not one, not two, not three but 4 different people. Stop digging. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,290 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 STV ... Refusing to move Sone Aluko Steven Davis John Fleck Kyle Lafferty Rhys McCabe Allan McGregor Steven Naismith Jamie Ness Steven Whittaker Leaving the club Juan Manuel Ortiz Moving to newco Chris Hegarty Kyle Hutton Lee McCulloch Andy Mitchell Ross Perry Lee Wallace Andrew Little Returned to training Neil Alexander Alejandro Bedoya Kirk Broadfoot Darren Cole Scott Gallacher Kane Hemmings Kal Naismith Carlos Bocanegra Maurice Edu Dorin Goian Out of contract David Healy Salim Kerkar Or the Scotsman ... Rangers newco: Guessing game as 13 players return for pre-season IF ANYTHING told of the drastically-changed times around Murray Park, it was the cry that so often rose up from the knot of assembled press yesterday morning once a player had driven through the gates of the Sevco consortium-owned training ground. “Who was that?” became a familiar refrain. • Only 13 players turn up at Murray Park for pre-season training • Lee McCulloch and Lee Wallace - who have both pledged their future to the Rangers newco - turned up • Ally McCoist due to return from his holiday on Saturday Maybe that speaks of ignorance on the part of us journos. But, let’s be honest, Andy Mitchell, Scott Gallacher, Kal Naismith and Chris Hegarty are not exactly well-known figures in the Scottish football world. Or even well-known figures in the old Rangers world. In the new Rangers world, however, this band of boys represented around a quarter of the 13-player ‘squad’ that committed themselves to Charles Green’s Ibrox club by turning up for the fitness tests with which Rangers kicked off their pre-season programme...for a season playing who-knows-where. These lucky old, or rather new, 13, were the work colleagues from the previous Rangers that club ambassador Sandy Jardine – a bloke all instantly identified, even through a rain-smeared windscreen – will still be able to look in the eye. Not for them exercising rights under TUPE regulations to reject their contracts being switched from the soon-to-be-liquidated Rangers to the newco version. Steven Naismith, Steven Davis, Steven Whittaker, Allan McGregor, Sone Aluko, Kyle Lafferty, Rhys McCabe, John Fleck and Juan Manuel Ortiz did that to go and drive their cars to some other training grounds. And drive Jardine demented in the process. “Greedy” he called them. Well, there wasn’t much sign of the greed and corpulence associated with the footballer fraternity among the vehicles that made their way into the Milngavie complex yesterday. Indeed, for those of a certain means, there was a novelty in their design. At no time since the complex opened in 2001 until yesterday would there have been a time that at least half the motors driven by the senior squad would have appeared in the price range of normal, hard-working folk. The new Rangers can’t afford high rollers. Modest little numbers will require to be the way of it on and off the field. Precisely why there was excitement and no “aw, only him” when the club’s third keeper of last year, Gallacher, became the first player to whizz up at just after half eight. The 22-year-old could well be first-choice keeper at the club next season. Neil Alexander, who turned up 40 minutes later, may be the senior figure in that position now that McGregor hasn’t transferred his contract. But, on £12,000-a-week, Alexander is on a wage that makes him unaffordable to Green’s Rangers, irrespective of if they are playing in the First Division or Third Division next season. He is, though, under contract, unlike Salim Kerkar, Mitchell and Hegarty, who didn’t allow that to stop them making their way to Murray Park yesterday. The same is true of Lee McCulloch, whose impressive big motor screeched up to the gates at five to nine. Indeed, with the salaries of Alexander, McCulloch and Kirk Broadfoot – last in four minutes before the gates swung closed at 9.40am – in the region of £2 million a year, Green might be wishing more senior players didn’t turn down the contract switch. That is one of the many disingenuous elements in all this saga. Even if his Rangers had been voted into the SPL, Green would have required to reduce significantly the wage bill. Some of the slashing work has been done for him with so many senior players choosing to becoming free agents. Granted, as Jardine acknowledged, Green would have sought to move them on for the reduced fees they agreed when they took wage cuts to keep the club running in administration four months ago. But knowing the perilous nature of Rangers’ plight, clubs would have waited till mid-August and made derisory bids. That could still happen with such as Lee Wallace, who drove in with hoodie obscuring face, just after McCulloch. Indeed, if it is the Third Division for the new Rangers then even some of their youngsters may be too much of a drain on their finances. Players such as Darren Cole, who had his dad drive him in shortly after Gallacher had been joined by assistant manager Kenny McDowall. It was curious that McDowall was the most senior member of the coaching team to be there to greet the loyal members of the Rangers playing cause. A band completed by Kyle Hutton, Kane Hemmings, and Ross Perry, who said on the Rangers website yesterday he stayed because he felt he “owed it to the club”. Rangers manager Ally McCoist didn’t feel he owed it to those who appear to be willing to honour old contracts in troubling circumstances to cut short his holidays for their first day under new employment. McCoist returns on Saturday and will be at Murray Park for the start of pre-season training proper next Monday. Others such as Maurice Edu, Carlos Bocanegra, Dorin Goian and Alejandro Bedoya are not scheduled to appear until later. There is, though, no great expectation that the Murray Park gates ever whirr open again for any of these players. And with that, I'll bow out here. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Cooper 0 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Bow out after proving more than 6 players started the season for us as a newco which you argued against for the last few pages. Lmfao. Carlsberg don't do irony but if they did.......... Edited June 30, 2014 by Super Cooper 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 looks like more than 30 to me probably once you add in the reserves. i forget was it 64 66 full time players i once knew for sure. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 lets call it 65 or somesuch 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Semantics. Whilst you all gang up on der Berliner.... GS, 65 or 66 full time players... yeah, sure there were. How many of those were going to be staying and going ? We all know that a TON of them were never going to stay. So whilst you can technically say that there were that many full time players we all know that McCoist had to plan for a number of them leaving. It was fairly clear early on that a) we couldn't afford to keep the high earners b) players such as Goian & Bocanegra were always going to move on and c) we also don't know what was being said behind closed doors. Was McCoist being disingenuous with the use of "6 first team players" ? Course he was. But, then, so too are you being with the suggestion we had 65 or 66 full time players. McCoist knew he would have more than 6 by the time the season started. But likewise YOU knew it would be far less than 65 or 66. Either way, this thread is being hijacked, again. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Dynamo 128 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 this was our starting 11 against East Fife at Ibrox - I believe this was our first game at Ibrox that season Alexander; Broadfoot, Goian, Bocanegra; Little, Shiels, Black (Hutton 81), Macleod (Sandaza 67), Wallace; McKay (Kyle 81), McCulloch. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Semantics. Whilst you all gang up on der Berliner.... GS, 65 or 66 full time players... yeah, sure there were. How many of those were going to be staying and going ? We all know that a TON of them were never going to stay. So whilst you can technically say that there were that many full time players we all know that McCoist had to plan for a number of them leaving. It was fairly clear early on that a) we couldn't afford to keep the high earners b) players such as Goian & Bocanegra were always going to move on and c) we also don't know what was being said behind closed doors. Was McCoist being disingenuous with the use of "6 first team players" ? Course he was. But, then, so too are you being with the suggestion we had 65 or 66 full time players. McCoist knew he would have more than 6 by the time the season started. But likewise YOU knew it would be far less than 65 or 66. Either way, this thread is being hijacked, again. i think about 6 left. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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