Rangers will be forced to live in Celtic’s shadow for generations to come

[Big Jaws 570]

Its garbage and its revisionist garbage at that. The two situations are nothing like each other for a start when McCann took over a bankrupt Celtic, Rangers never lobbied the SFL to block them from transferring their SFL stake to the new company while 'the bunnet' acted as guarantor for something in the region of £7-8 mil of debt that the old company had. As such they were, effectively, allowed to keep all of their assets and position in the Premier league while the old co was in the process of being wrapped up.

 

Rangers on the other hand were allowed no such luxury Lawell of Celtic, either acting on his own or by instruction, lobbied the SPL board to block the transfer of our stake in the premier league which effectively left us with no league to play in at all hence our application to the SFA. Consequently our main assets in our playing staff were stripped at a cost of roughly £30 mil, docked points, transfer embargo, fines, five way agreements etc etc etc. There was no grace period for a Rangers guarantor to underwrite Whites PAYE debt of roughly £10 mil which given inflation isn't a kick in the arse off of the debt McCann covered 10 years earlier. It was an orchestrated attack which was quite simply an attempt to demolish, or raise to the ground, the Rangers institution. Rangers are a special case, no other club in the history of football has faced what we have and these fuckwits write their dross in the press with an avarice that is not becoming of any journalist with integrity nevermind a sports journalist who should be concerned with the health of subject to which they write. The truth of the matter is that unlike McCanns board this current Celtic board are nothing more than destructive as far as the game in this country goes and that is what these so called journalist should be concentrating on.

 

Any attempt to equate these two accounts are revisionist and to be quite frank with any of you giving it any credence... its half arsed shite!

Edited September 29, 2017 by Big Jaws

[der Berliner 3,247]

The front page of that newspaper has a neat article about Yahoo-owner D. Desmond and the Latvian bank he owns 1/3rd of...

 

A bank partly owned and run by Celtic's biggest shareholder is facing new investigations over claims it was used to fund the Russian-backed insurrection in Ukraine.

Latvia's Rietumu Banka, in which tax exile billionaire Dermot Desmond owns about a third of shares, has already hit the headlines after being fined for its role in French tax evasion and North Korean money-laundering.

Now the Baltic state's financial services watchdog has announced it will probe reports of a French "volunteer" seeking crowdfunding for his efforts in a breakaway part of eastern Ukraine.

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15565081.Dermot_Desmond_bank_in_Ukraine_war_funding_probe/?ref=mr&lp=6

 

Good that sports-reporter Cameron tells us all about our troubes ... speaking about alternative realities and all.

Edited September 29, 2017 by der Berliner

[the gunslinger 3,366]

We were better than celtc 2 years ago. If they accidently appoint another daila we will be back on top. Or we will work up to it no problem

 

 

[ian1964 10,416]

Its garbage and its revisionist garbage at that. The two situations are nothing like each other for a start when McCann took over a bankrupt Celtic, Rangers never lobbied the SFL to block them from transferring their SFL stake to the new company while 'the bunnet' acted as guarantor for something in the region of £7-8 mil of debt that the old company had. As such they were, effectively, allowed to keep all of their assets and position in the Premier league while the old co was in the process of being wrapped up.

 

Rangers on the other hand were allowed no such luxury Lawell of Celtic, either acting on his own or by instruction, lobbied the SPL board to block the transfer of our stake in the premier league which effectively left us with no league to play in at all hence our application to the SFA. Consequently our main assets in our playing staff were stripped at a cost of roughly £30 mil, docked points, transfer embargo, fines, five way agreements etc etc etc. There was no grace period for a Rangers guarantor to underwrite Whites PAYE debt of roughly £10 mil which given inflation isn't a kick in the arse off of the debt McCann covered 10 years earlier. It was an orchestrated attack which was quite simply an attempt to demolish, or raise to the ground, the Rangers institution. Rangers are a special case, no other club in the history of football has faced what we have and these fuckwits write their dross in the press with an avarice that is not becoming of any journalist with integrity nevermind a sports journalist who should be concerned with the health of subject to which they write. The truth of the matter is that unlike McCanns board this current Celtic board are nothing more than destructive as far as the game in this country goes and that is what these so called journalist should be concentrating on.

 

Any attempt to equate these two accounts are revisionist and to be quite frank with any of you giving it any credence... its half arsed shite!

 

100% spot on with that post, what has happened to us will never happen to any other Scottish club, see Hearts!. It was an outright attack on Rangers FC, hence the reason I am damaged by it, yet makes me a stronger Rangers fan.

[scotjo 19]

Its garbage and its revisionist garbage at that. The two situations are nothing like each other for a start when McCann took over a bankrupt Celtic, Rangers never lobbied the SFL to block them from transferring their SFL stake to the new company while 'the bunnet' acted as guarantor for something in the region of £7-8 mil of debt that the old company had. As such they were, effectively, allowed to keep all of their assets and position in the Premier league while the old co was in the process of being wrapped up.

 

Rangers on the other hand were allowed no such luxury Lawell of Celtic, either acting on his own or by instruction, lobbied the SPL board to block the transfer of our stake in the premier league which effectively left us with no league to play in at all hence our application to the SFA. Consequently our main assets in our playing staff were stripped at a cost of roughly £30 mil, docked points, transfer embargo, fines, five way agreements etc etc etc. There was no grace period for a Rangers guarantor to underwrite Whites PAYE debt of roughly £10 mil which given inflation isn't a kick in the arse off of the debt McCann covered 10 years earlier. It was an orchestrated attack which was quite simply an attempt to demolish, or raise to the ground, the Rangers institution. Rangers are a special case, no other club in the history of football has faced what we have and these fuckwits write their dross in the press with an avarice that is not becoming of any journalist with integrity nevermind a sports journalist who should be concerned with the health of subject to which they write. The truth of the matter is that unlike McCanns board this current Celtic board are nothing more than destructive as far as the game in this country goes and that is what these so called journalist should be concentrating on.

 

Any attempt to equate these two accounts are revisionist and to be quite frank with any of you giving it any credence... its half arsed shite!

I would love Liewell and his team to fall into the shit up to his Jap eyes and us to drop them in it, be a repaying of old debts.

[scotjo 19]

Neil Cameron

 

BEING a Rangers supporter for most of the 1990s, especially the first of half of that decade, must have been quite good fun.

 

The Ibrox team dominated at home, if not abroad, and some of the club’s greatest ever players – the likes of McCoist, Goram and Gough – were in their prime. Trebles and doubles were collected and, just to add some icing to an already sweet cake, Celtic were a mess.

 

To concentrate on the Walter Smith years, which ended with nine league titles in a row and many, many cup final wins, Rangers lorded it over the rest. Triumphalism was the word of the day down Ibrox way, while their old friends across the city looked at one stage that they would out of business.

 

Back then, when Celtic were knocked out of the Scottish Cup by Falkirk and Wayne Biggins was considered a footballer, those who wore green and white had only two things which prevented them from walking out to the back shed with a service revolver.

 

Every so often they would win an Old Firm game and, on a few occasions, Rangers would take a doing in Europe.

 

That was it. That’s how low it got for Tims everywhere. It's why I found it hilarious when some fans, the younger ones, called Ronny Deila’s team the “worst Celtic team ever” when beating Motherwell in Britpop time was viewed as something of a triumph.

 

Celtic were hopeless, but in Paul McStay and John Collins, they had two fine players who, on their day, could inspire their otherwise hapless team-mates to a win over Rangers, which usually closed the gap at the top to 15 points. In October.

 

Even the less than sensational Lou Macari won an Old Firm game, and at Ibrox as well, it was his first game as manager, and he even got a draw at the home of Rangers when Celtic fans were banned from the match.

 

Rangers, of course, won more often than not and there were a few easy wins in there. But there were as many 1-0s or 2-1s with Goram at one end and McCoist at the other proving the difference in a genuinely tight contest.

 

And then there were the Champions League nights. You know you’ve hit rock bottom as a football supporter when the highlight of any season is watching your biggest rivals on the biggest stage losing a game your own team would have been lucky to score nil in.

 

But that’s where Celtic were in the 1990s and, for a long time, the football club looked done.

 

However, everyone did know how to solve the problems. The old families had to be shown the door, a new owner with money brought in, a move to Hampden so Celtic Park could be rebuilt, a share issue needed to be held, and some quality players signed.

 

Fergus McCann paid for all of this, along with the punters, but the grand plan was hardly his because it was the obvious thing to do.

 

But times have changed and this, now, is Celtic's time to hog the limelight.

 

For those of a Rangers persuasion, the 5-0 thrashing by Paris Saint-Germain might just be the best thing to happen to them this campaign.

 

Unlike Celtic of 25 years ago, this Rangers team aren’t winning any Old Firm games and don’t appear capable of laying a glove on their oldest rivals any time soon.

 

Not only that, but unless I’m missing something, there is no grand plan to turn things around. Not again. The plan, thus far, has been to get Dave King in and then appoint a man who couldn’t win a league in Qatar.

 

King is Rangers’ McCann, to a degree and there are rich fans in the boardroom, the finances are okay again, but they are as far away from Celtic as Celtic were pre-bunnet.

 

Pedro Caixinha is not the man for this movie. I will be stunned if he survives this season. His best and only hope is that he can get enough of a tune from his players to the extent they win the Betfred Cup, but you would get long odds on that.

 

It’s hard to say how much money was really spent in the summer but in fairness to King and the board, they did provide funds, it’s just that they were wasted and I don’t think Caixinha will disprove this.

 

Rangers are as far behind Celtic as they were ahead of the time when every goal for the home side was greeted with “sack the board” for those who had bothered to turn up.

 

And sacking them did work. But this isn’t a road Rangers will go down. Who would take over from an ousted board? Which means this club will be forced to live in Celtic’s shadow for generations to come.

 

And another thing . . .

 

WELL done to the Celtic fan who thought it was a great idea to take, and then throw, a flare at Ibrox.

 

Some might say that it was the act of a ned for whom reading a book without pop-up pictures is a challenge but he, and will be some wee guy, will fight their corner in an articulate manner.

 

It would go something along the lines of: “No pyro, no party, bud.” Sighs.

 

Celtic as a club are heading for trouble. There is a real unsavoury element among the support these days who seem hell bent on getting fines and bans.

 

The pro-IRA crap still gets belted out, as if that has any relevance to 21st-century Scotland.

 

And for those Rangers fans trying to take the moral high ground, it wasn’t just few singing about Paedos, Bobby Sands and the Billy Boys, which I am sure is still banned.

 

And yet nothing will be said about it. This wee country of ours is brilliant, but a few of the citizens need to simply grow up. I won’t hold my breath.

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15558534.Rangers_will_be_forced_to_live_in_Celtic___s_shadow_for_generations_to_come/?ref=mr&lp=2

 

Nonsense they are not that far ahead, losing a couple of players may make a difference, they missed 2 today against a decent team and couldn't win.

[JFK-1 1,675]

Ahead for generations my posterior. I'm supposed to take seriously someone saying they will be ahead of us for decades? What utter drivel.

[Crimson Dynamo 128]

Celtic aren't that far ahead of Rangers. It's nothing like it was in the 90's.

[Gonzo79 13,637]

They are a lot further ahead both on and off the pitch. Feel free to disagree but I think the last couple of league tables and their annual turnover verify my viewpoint.

 

But football's a funny old game - we buy some really good players and they sell a couple and things can change very quickly.

[scotjo 19]

They are a lot further ahead both on and off the pitch. Feel free to disagree but I think the last couple of league tables and their annual turnover verify my viewpoint.

 

But football's a funny old game - we buy some really good players and they sell a couple and things can change very quickly.

Yes this is what I was thinking, they lose a couple of players and we get some shrewd signings... it didn't take much to get them playing the way they are maybe their decline will come about the same way, and the manager going which will happen soon enough.

Edited September 30, 2017 by scotjo