Scott Arfield pre-contract deal?

[Bill 13,717]

6 minutes ago, alskoosher said:

Why would anyone be signed by anyone DoF or other, we don't know who our next manager is won't they want their own signings, unless it will still be Murty.

 

Or does the DoF now do the signing and we will have a coach not a manager.

What do you think a DoF is for?

[alskoosher 14]

Just now, Bill said:

What do you think a DoF is for?

He recommends to the manager, can just see ManU or Man C DoFs telling Jose and Pepe who they are signing 

[Walterbear 557]

1 hour ago, Rousseau said:

The Club shouldn't be fitting around a manger's philosophy, the Manager should be fitting around the Clubs philosophy; the Club needs to scout a manager that fits. 

Agree with this but remember Allen said the manager determines selection and tactics. He also has a say in signings. I guess that means that overall he needs to fit within a style of play but can adjust if necessary but he cannot go out and spend £12m on Tore Andre Flo for example if that style of player cannot play within the overall philosophy. It makes sense and also suggests Allen / DoF has a firm hand on the purse strings. 

 

Bearing all that in mind and given the DoF has a big say in the next manager perhaps our future criticism / plaudits will be as much towards the DoF. For example if he presents a bunch of diddies to the manager then the managers job becomes more difficult. But if his players are of good calibre and understand the playing style and philosophy and by extension the tactical requirements then it is very much the manager who takes the flack.  All in all I like the model and if it had been in place would have prevented the PC mistakes. Allen would know the market of players who could be recruited for the kind of money we have wasted on Pena. 

 

You also have to consider Murty and the fact that he has not fully operated within this model for Rangers as it is probably in development (we haven’t worked like this before). 

 

Thats my positive spin on the sutuation anyway. I am pretty sure we don’t need to clear an entire squad out. 

[Bill 13,717]

1 minute ago, alskoosher said:

He recommends to the manager, can just see ManU or Man C DoFs telling Jose and Pepe who they are signing 

You seem to be describing the Chief Scout. In the real world the manager recommends to the DoF what attributes he needs in a player to deliver the footballing plan the DoF has already approved. 

[Walterbear 557]

Just now, alskoosher said:

He recommends to the manager, can just see ManU or Man C DoFs telling Jose and Pepe who they are signing 

I think he presents a list of affordable targets. If that list doesn’t fit the bill then the manager will be able to discuss. I suspect both of them are pretty assertive but they have earned the right to be and no doubt a healthy dialogue ensues. But that’s what you want , unlike  previous boom and bust model we have had which ultimately led to a disaster. 

[alskoosher 14]

Just now, Bill said:

You seem to be describing the Chief Scout. In the real world the manager recommends to the DoF what attributes he needs in a player to deliver the footballing plan the DoF has already approved. 

So why is this pre-contract being spoken of, which manager has sanctioned it, Murty ?

[Bill 13,717]

1 minute ago, alskoosher said:

So why is this pre-contract being spoken of, which manager has sanctioned it, Murty ?

As I said, it's not the manager's job to sanction anything. That's the DoF's role. The manager's job is to say what he requires to deliver success on the park.

[buster. 4,846]

In the UK, there have always been issues and no set recognised structure wrt to how a DoF and first team coach/manager divide responsibilities.

 

What is clear is that big football clubs need someone to take responsibility for overseeing the whole football operation, regardless of how much authority a first team manager/coach has or develops.

 

I think it possible to have a respected manager with clear ultimate authority over what he sees as important and then a DoF (call it what you like) who makes sure things get done, as well as keeping all the other levels and sub-departments in line. I think this is what we need opposed to the more easily disposible 'Head Coach' idea that plainly won't work given the pressures of the Ibrox dug-out.

Edited April 24, 2018 by buster.

[Darthter 542]

Just now, buster. said:

In the UK, there have always been issues and no set recognised structure wrt to how a DoF and first team coach/manager divide responsibilities.

 

What is clear is that big football clubs need someone to take responsibility for overseeing the whole football operation, regardless of how much authority a first team manager/coach has or develops.

 

I think it possible to have a respected manager with clear ultimate authority over what he sees as important and then a DoF (call it what you like) who makes sure things get done, as well as keeping all the other levels and sub-departments in line. I think this is what we need opposed to the more easily disposible 'Head Coach' idea that plainly won't work given the pressures of the Ibrox dug-out.

The 2 roles MUST act together, otherwise the whole system falls apart.

Essentially, the DoF handles all the admin-type stuff & looks after scouting etc.

The Coach/Manager looks after the actual playing side of things inc squad selection & tactics.  He will go to the DoF requesting a player for a particular position & what attributes he's looking for.  The DoF will then search the market for players that meet the requirement.  That list is presented to the Manager who selects his targets....the DoF then handles the negotiations etc for those players.

 

The process should allow the manager to focus on the playing side of things and leave the DoF to bridge the gap between playing & boardroom/admin staff.

[DMAA 3,606]

I like Arfield and Kamara but our signings need to be judged on how much they improve the starting line-up by.

 

McArthur is a no brainer he walks into the starting line-up. Kamara has huge potential but I'm not sure he leapfrogs what we've got, Arfield is a great squad player if we can afford him for that.

 

I'd say after McArthur the top priority is 2 centre backs who walk right into the starting line-up with most of our money being spent there (£4-5m). We could probably do with one more out and out winger to compete with Candeias and Murphy, though maybe Arfield is being signed for this. Personally I prefer the Martin Boyle style winger who has pace to burn and gets behind full backs at ease.