maineflyer
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Be happier days still if a certain uranium miner issues good news soon.
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Well big Kyle certainly knows all there is to know about Charlie "Nobody" Nicholas. -
Such transient memories.
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Somehow satisfying to know there are other plonkers around.
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That's the one. Thanks.
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I don't suppose anyone has access to Scot Symon's OF record?????
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Didn't the said Ugly Anna recently take up a new position, which has slipped my memory - do you know where it was. Or am I imagining it?
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I don't know if it was an even worse time. I do know that there were relatively few season tickets around and that was probably the single biggest difference back then. The ST is the modern way of controlling the behaviour of the supporter.
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I've no doubt at all that there will be no boycott. I've never suggested this was ever a realistic possibility. If it was then it would presumably have happened long ago. But that doesn't make the analysis of the underlying motivatons any less interesting.
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You know, I've supported this club for nearly 50 years and I don't think I'd ever heard of "The Rangers Way" until about 5 years ago. Personally, I think this is an invention of convenience to suit certain agendas. I seem to remember standing in some very small crowds at Ibrox to evidence that Rangers fans have been very willing to vote with their feet in the past - maybe that was "the Rangers way" after all.
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There's nothing to be gained by complicating a very simple situation. To exert enough pressure to make a difference, a sufficiently large number of fans need to refuse to renew ST's. There will only be such pressure if it actually does hurt the club, surely that's a given. So you can choose - short term gain for long term pain - or the converse. Like I said before, everyone has to make that choice for themselves. But the real deal is that, having made the point and demonstrated a willingness to apply that pressure rather than just talk about it, everyone can go along and buy that precious season ticket. Because it's not about buying or not buying a ST, nor is it about starving the club of funds, it's about convincing an arrogant owner that he needs to take the support seriously.
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It's a bit of a weak-kneed position to take then. Either people feel there is sufficient need to take action or they don't - if they don't then there's no case to answer - if they do (and Edgar seems to think there is) then get on with it. It's pointless saying that the reason for not applying pressure is that it might result in pressure being applied. Perhaps if we spent less time in wishy-washy, handwringing introspection, more might get done.
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That depends entirely on how many feet stamp and whether the stamping is followed by non-renewal of ST's. As I've said for years, ST renewal is the single point of leverage that supporters have at their disposal. Only the willingness to use it is missing. Posturing on the periphery a la RST can be interesting but will never achieve anything. The fact remains that, collectively, we have the means in our hands but for whatever reason will not use it. No Rangers supporter who owns a season ticket can deny that he/she has it in their power to bring the club to heel..... or that the evidence shows they are unwilling to do so. It's not rocket science.
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That Sir is a very fair observation indeed. How's the snow over in Bermuda?
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I'm not so much concerned at the offer as I am about what we will be prepared to accept. Even if the club is fully intent on selling him in the summer, they should still be making damned sure he signs a new contract right now. If they intend to sell then I'd have thought the contract terms shouldn't be a particular concern. If they don't intend to sell then they will presumably have to find agreeable terms in any case. But to sell under value at this time would be madness from every angle.
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A damned good question and a source of enormous frustration. There's no doubt that the support has ultimate power and could force the club's hand on any issue you care to think of. I believe the support could have forced Murray out long ago. The support could have had a representative on the Ibrox board or even implemented the membership rights that have so exercised our debates in recent times. The support could have set the standard when it comes to the media and the club's detractors. You name it, we could have done it. But instead, we have chosen to do nothing. Why then haven't we done so? Why do we leave in the hands of others any number of issues that we repeatedly claim to be important to us? What is it that creates the gulf between power and such a profound unwillingness to use it? The answer, I find, is not particularly palatable and makes me believe there is a deep-rooted and fundamental dishonesty underlying this club. How else can so many fans, possessed of such genuine love for the club, be so unwilling to lift a finger or risk an inconvenience for the betterment of that club? If 20,000 ST holders had refused to renew, just once, the club would have been falling over themselves froever more to accommodate our views. Instead, they treat us like shite in our own stadium and allow every beggar and republican filth to walk all over us. We could - but we won't..... that's the real story of Rangers supporters today.
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�£1.5m !!!!! They must have dreamt that one up in some sebeen shitehouse after mass last weekend.
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....and fullsome credit to you too for not denying he's soiled goods after having worn that green and grey rag on his back. :box:
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If I'm not mistaken (and I don't think I am) it's not so very long ago that Mr Edgar was close to accepting employment with the Daily Record. Maybe that's why he seems to be defending that esteemed journal over on FF today, perhaps he still harbours ambitions in that direction. Or not, I don't know. Personally, instead of publicity-seeking interviews with daily newspapers, I'd be more interested in hearing from the RST about the "47 days to save Rangers" that they were promulgating recently. I'd like them to remind me when that deadline is due.
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I think you'll find he's actually being criticised for not saying enough.
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Credit where it's due at all times.... and criticism too. Rangers fans are always honest in this respect. Miller has played well recently but he's different from other players in my eyes because he carries baggage that can't be undone. I don't believe in sanitised football and I don't like Rangers signing damaged goods.
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Yes, but there's also a huge jump between fans discussing things amongst themselves and the spokesperson of the Rangers Supperters Trust talking to a newspaper. It certainly doesn't surprise me that the Record used the word 'boycott' - do you suppose it surprised Edgar? If it did then he needs to stop talking to the media altogether but in reality I imagine he achieved exactly what he intended to achieve.
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What do you mean "fall for it"? That's a strange and pointless choice of words. As far as I can see, Edgar is being quoted. If they have mis-quoted him them we'll no doubt see his complaint. While Edgar doesn't use the word boycott, it would be naive in the extreme to suggest that's not a clear and intentional inference from his statement. My only problem is that he didn't actually use the word.
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I don't think the RST have ever had a cosy relationship with the Rangers board .... but they would like to and that's what influences their (lack of) actions. In the present case, the RST wishes to be a player in the arrival of a new board, which is why it cannot speak openly of boycotts.
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I think this is a valuable contribution. It may not be perfect, whatever perfect means, but it is at least an opportunity for the average supporter to express a view. If Rangers or so-called supporters organisations did the same, it wouldn't be a bad idea either. Of course what is done with the results of these surveys is altogether another thing.