maineflyer

Typical RST..... got something to say but can't quite bring themselves to speak openly or use plain language. Of course Edgar is introducing the issue of season tickets as a veiled threat. The only problem I've got is that this should have been an overt campaign at least three years ago. The time to mention season tickets is when the club are about to issue renewal notices, not at a time when no one is actually buying season tickets. But the RST couldn't possibly orchestrate an actual campaign because that would mean takiing a position and no longer being able to wriggle and spin in an effort to be all things to all parties involved. For years, I've posted and written articles advocating an ST boycott as the one remaining item of real leverage that fans can exercise against a dysfunctional club leadership. It's up to the individual fan to decide for themselves but I'd have thought this was such an obvious pressure point for the RST that their failure to exploit it is tantamount to negligence. Wabash has a point when he links this latest half-hearted nonsense from Edgar to the RST's make-believe negotiations to introduce fan ownership. The point being that they cannot play it both ways. If they need to maintain a cosy relationship with the Rangers board then don't come out and infer ST boycotts - if they genuinely want to leverage the club's policies through ST boycotts then stop compromising things by pretending to be pivotal in takeover talks (a takeover that isn't happening btw). More than anything else, stop sending mixed messages to the supporters and start using plain, unambiguous language. Sooner or later the RST needs to leave la-la land and stop this endless posturing and pointless bravado.

The keeper was fouled. The ref awarded a free kick to Rangers. Those are the facts of the matter. It's of no fukking interest at all whether the worst celtic signing in years thinks he should have had a goal, every feenyan lowlife south of Baffin Island thinks they should have had a goal but what's new?

Much as I'd never have had him near the club if it had been my choice, entirely because he'd pulled on that green and white shitewipe, it would be daft to ignore the contribution Miller has made recently. Which is about as enthusiastic as I'm ever likely to get where Miller is concerned. Definitely good news that Novo isn't out for long but what we will do with a fit Mendes is another thing - sell him I hope.

But all that will do is set the asking price higher. I honestly think we need to think less about someone buying Rangers and much more about the selling side of any deal. I don't know but I'm willing to believe there are potential buyers, none of whom will ever achieve anything until and unless Murray decided he is willing to sell, which I also speculate that he is not. Of course, when assessing this for yourself you'll first need to separate what Murray has actually said from what he has inferred or implied .... and then disregard totally anything he has either said, inferred or implied .... which should leave only the truth.

On the contrary, I think his performances in Europe and domestically are easily enough to justify all the criticisn thrown his way. He's a waster who freewheels through far too many games.

Ah...... I see.

To be brutally honest, he only came to Ibrox because he couldn't get a better offer in England, where managers were used to seeing him for the lazy drifter he is.

Glee about Murray still being around? Surely not. Who is guilty of such glee? David Murray has done more harm to his club than our enemies on the outside ever did. No one wants the Great Boaster gone from rangers more than I do but it serves no purpose to suppose he's gone from the scene when in reality he still pulls every string that dangles. What I'd rather see is every Rangers supporter protesting loud and long about his continued presence at the club. What I'd rather not see is the subterfuge that Murray is somehow history being perpetrated by the likes of the RST in their daft pronouncements about negotiating the sale of the club, as if Murray had handed over his shareholding and said 'here lads, do what you want with these'. I'm not sure which is the greater pain in the arse, the self-obsessed bastard or the self-obsessed idiot.

I'd like to think we'd hold out for more but the reality of recent years has been that we rarely negotiate very effectively. In any case, I think Mendes has been particularly poor in his time at Ibrox and he wouldn't be missed.

Indeed it is Norris but paranoia can play havoc with the pronunciation. Perhaps they were trying to say traitor?

Yes, we seem to have had this discussion elsewhere already but you're undoubtedly correct. Murray has pulled everyone's strings throughout, which must be particularly galling for our RST friends who tried manfully to persuade us all to the contrary but who must by now be regretting some of their recent bravado. While not exactly jumping up and down yelling 'I told you so', I think we're passing the stage where sympathetic parties could claim this was a constructive silence. Only the inevitable conclusions remain but you would still hope the RST could be bothered to make some attempt to communicate - not only with their own membership but also with those others amongst us who they were so willing to talk on behalf of, albeit without invitation.

It was always a foul - only that muppet commentator created the illusion it was otherwise.

You and I are in the same situation rergarding Murray. However, I'm less convinced that the blowhard won't still be playing Mr Rangers a year from now, maybe two. Nothing I have seen has ever convinced me Murray has any intention of leaving. He still has total control over the club and his relationship with the bank continues to be the only one that matters. What he has done recently is create a vacuum that he knows no one can fill - cute as you like and classic Murray.

While I can see the temptation of the obvious, I'm not sure I buy into the rationale that missing players somehow caused those who did play to turn in such a shite display. Unless I missed something important, I think we still had 11 players on the park. I do think Smith got it badly wrong playing Lafferty (at all) up front and then on the right wing. He could have started with Boyd and Fleck or Boyd and Novo in attack. Poor old Walter can't seem to shake off his natural tendency for one up front, even when it is presented by events outwith his control.

Much as I'd like to think we could give Feenyan FC a severe doing, and I hope we do, it will be tough to get anything from this match. It's never a good time to break a winning selection and our current squad has shown a worrying tendency in the past to think themselves out of big games. I wouldn't be too disappointed with a draw but I'd be fukking ecstatic with a all three points.

I meant to add that I hear strong rumours that Murray is effectively taking the club off the market and will only be selling now if absolutely forced to do so by the bank. There are reported to be several bids for the club but none are even being considered by Murray. This is seen by certain interested parties as essentially a matter of Murray's ego. Plus ca change.........

No doubt about it, Murray has orchestrated the entire affair and though it pains me to say it, we're no nearer seeing the back of that blowhard than we were a year ago. Which is definitely not good for Rangers. There's nothing I'd like to see more than Murray's ultimate departure but I'd also like to see the RST finally embrace reality and sort itself out ... their efforts since Murray resigned as a director have been typically irrelevant and only reinforce the futility of the current board continuing to lead that organisation.

Strangely, when they thought they had at last found a meaningful role to play, there were RST people all over the usual forums, pontificating about their strategic options and who they should be focussing their attention upon. Now, in the time-honoured tradition of the RST, there only seems to be the usual empty silence. Not even the pretence of enthusiasm remains. Of course, as I write, they may well have selected Plan 15 and be leading negotiations in the background that will shape the very destiny of Rangers. But I doubt it.

I've been busy these last couple of weeks and have rarely had a chance to log on, which makes me wonder what I've missed on the cporprate front; how are the RST negotiators getting on and who have they sold us to this week? Or are we still in that endless period of institutional silence; you know, the one between starting what we cannot possibly finish and claiming that wasn't what we were trying to do anyway?

I've argued endlessly that TBB is not banned, never was banned and that the certain prominent Rangers supporters were complicit in the lie. I'm not going to join in this debate simply because I'd be repeating myself to the same audience yet again. Let me just say that I agree 100% with your point of view.

The most unhelpful aspect of this is that the Assembly felt the need to make that statement. There are times when it is most constructive just to say nothing. The Assembly needs to learn this and the difference between sound and noise. Perhaps the hiatus in their corporate wranglings has left them without as much to do as they obviously expected but they should not be filling their vacuum by playing the role of moral policemen. It's not their business and if they had done more at the time then the song wouldn't be wrongly considered by many to be banned today. Why are our self-styled 'representatives' always such fukking po-faced and pious capitulators?

I don't agree with you and wouldn't change a word of what I wrote. I wish, just once, those who express embarrassment at the likes of these two songs or our long ties with loyalist Ulster would simply tell us why they feel this way - what exactly is to be embarrassed about?

Why is it that apologists like you always have to paint the other person's picture black to see the light in your own? If you're half the deep thinker you keep trying to persuade us you are then you might consider the words of these songs, which are nothing but fair, honourable and entirely moral. If you see it otherwise then perhaps you could articulate in plain language exactly which words the offence stems from. It must be so frustrating to be ashamed of your own when other like myself draw nothing but satisfaction from our humble beginnings and proud heritage. It's the same frustration that drives our detractors to attack the same associations you find so distasteful. The accusation of "anger and hatred" that you wield like a weapon seems more at home on your side of the argument than mine. I'm proud of what you appear embarrassed by. I take inspiration from it while you take shame. I want to defend our traditions while you want to sweep then away and deny them. Who's in the dark?

If you are trying to deny the obvious, irrefutable and undeniable link between Rangers and the loyalist community of Ulster, or between Rangers and the protestant traditions of Scotland, then you are a silly revisionist plain and simple. You may not enjoy those links but to pretend they don't exist is just nonsense. You may also think they should no longer exist but that's a completely different argument. For my part, I think those links are a source of enormous pride that certain others (yourself included no doubt) would like to see used against us in an entirely disingenious manner. Rangers have long been much more than a team on a park. I know that, you know that, we all know that. If folks like you would stop cringing and scraping every time a Spiers or a Keevins takes a swipe at us then there would a lot less swipes taking place. The only embarrassment I feel is embarrassment at deniers like you.

Oh dear, oh dear, let's re-write history. There are obviously two worlds that Rangers supporters inhabit. I'm gald I'm not in the same one as you and your embarassment.