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Given the increased tension, the next two Old Firm games should be no-away support anyway, IMHO. No matter what is at stake.

Something I asked before without (AFAIK) receiving a reply: if we go out of admin soonish, will the 10 point penalty remain?

Where was / is he linked?

Ahem, what exactly is wrong with us being tied to an English team? We have no reserve league running, no real competetion for the youth and low key reserve players. Not that I am in favour of using this non-descript English team as a feeder/loaning target, BTW. When the payment was made, we were not in as dire trouble as we are now, right? Going for rather high profile signings too. (No snipes of the "Whyte rejecters" required here.) So getting a foothold even as low key as this was probably just a probe of how such affairs might run. Or, indeed, just a naughty gift to friend of Whyte's! If so, who actually paid it. Whyte, TRG (i.e. Whyte) or really Rangers from their own accounts?

Of course, we do have to keep in mind that every bit (however small) of info will be milked to the core by our friends of the Scottish media. They jump to conclusions to sell their info asap ... which is part of their job. That they do this sensibly and impartial is not really high on their agenda right now. It is, after all, the next best thing they experienced since the near-death of the Hooped Horrors in 1994.

Just out of interest ... with all these interested parties. Given that they show interest to buy the club, what would it need for them to take over? The consent of the admins, the willingness of Whyte, and the HMRC? The latter surely wanting the tax being paid, at least the 9m owe right now?

Leggat has his opinions and fair enough. While the now apparently established anti-Whyte brigade will not let up, they still fail to show us what option there was back last year. Would Lloyds have taken the HMRC case(s) on like he did or would they simply have chucked it, thus making us a "Fourth Lanark"? Wouldn't they have sold all reasonable assets when the doom was impending, to get as much money of their 18m debt back? All questions unanswered. But right now it is fairly easy to give Whyte some flak, especially with continued questioning of e.g. the Ticketus money and where it all went. But there you go. Since midweek I try to stay away from most of the rumour-mongering and wait and see what the administrators tell us about the finances and all. People still incite one frenzy after another on rumours and hearsay when a few days of wait may well show the latter up as unsubstantiated.

Let me just copy what Richie Foran has to say about our situation (from FF, source to follow): Richie Foran First of all I don't want or need anyone's sympathy but think it is worth comparing and contrasting Dublin born Foran's words about our 'wonderful club' with the bile streaming out of Celtc and the media. Wasn't he playing alongside McDonald in the Motherwell team that beat the Hooped Horrors on the first Helicopter Sunday? Edit: Source is BBC

Just asking, just asking ...

Great read! Maybe, on another day with less turbulences, I can relate how I started as a Bluenose roundabout 1983 ... from behind the Iron Curtain in East Germany's capital Berlin, glued to the BBC World Service's German radio folk on Saturday evenings, then the English original in the afternoon, then BBC 2, BBC 5, Five Live (the latter three all via BFBS) ... and nowadays the internet.

I was just wondering what Timothy would do to get some attention back. Maybe they thought that that was that and all would celebrate the next champions in Scotland and hail the magnificent effort of The Lurgan Bigot and his team of many players! But shock-horror, no-one speaks about them! So first Lawwell spouts some rubbish about Celtic not needing Rangers to survive, now TLB gives away another salvo that would only put a dead rat's IQ to shame. Every time you think they have reached rock bottom, this lot manages to exceed themselves and find a totally new dimension!

McCoist, Durrant and McDowell AFAIK all work on different levels of coaching with the players. It's not that we employ 3 housekeepers doing the very same job. I would expect that the squad might be thinned to 25 players, that is including the reserves, who essentially hardly have any competition. While it is hard to believe in this day and age, you do wonder whether some of the players asked to go may stay on nonetheless and play for no fee or possibly a fee funded from the outside (if that is possible). Methinks the SFA players union may be willing to pay for them too - ere they will "flood" the freebie market?

May I inquire where you get them from? Have you been there and taken a copy and scanned it for us ... or has this copy indeed come from someoe else? Just out of interest. Timothy tries to tango us from day one of this and I'm not exactly willing to take anything on the next on face value.

They taken that straight from our remarks about the incoming "big tax case", it seems. Cheeky! On a sidenote, I am somewhat astonished to time and again read (on here) a rerun of the rumours, hearsay, and assumptions about e.g. the Ticketus money (and its actual value) being "a loan" and used for this or that ... as if it had indeed be fact, not just assumption. Half of the rumours have by now been rubbished (by Octcopus themselves, as far as I understand it - though it caused another bout of assumptions in the relevant thread) and of the rest the fact will be severed from fiction soon enough. It would do well if we wait for the administrator's* reports and than either start sharpeneing the axes for Whyte or stop some of the flak fired at his direction. *When I see that some credible poster on here already starts to undermine their name, well well ...

May I just put in that these documents do not exactly look genuine to me. Not that I know how these papers would or do look like, but the above sheets look very average for such important business matters. On a sidenote, you do wonder how someone gets hold of them, i.e. stuff that would be deemed confidential. Have heads rolled over this?

You would assume that any future owner/director takes note of the behaviour of some people right now, be they Celtic staff or reporters or politicians. And then makes sure that this lot does not set a foot into Ibrox in the forseeable future.

No no. You simply have to be careful with a lot posted on there. Since there are what, 500 to 1200 active people on there at any given time, you can get a lot of (quick) info. Some is good, some is not, and some is being made. I've been there since a decade or so and you grew some sort of rubbish resistance. The poster who had this info I had in the first posting of this thread has been their for ages and not exactly revealed himself as an infiltrator. It could well be that someone made him look like a fool. That said, many on there and here have been made look like fools every now and then with some information delivered in good faith, only to be contradicted with facts from the official site. Not least these last few days.

Thanks again for BlueMazza's updates. I think we do well to wait for the administrators' statements from now on, instead of jumping to conclusions based on media rumour-mongering. I cannot say I have a good feeling about the administration, but a better feeling than same time last week, or, indeed, Monday. Add the that the public support we received today.

Spotted Roddy Forsyth, one of the lasses might be Sheelagh McLaren of (whatever)

... oh yes, we have/had a deal with STV (Sky will be furious ... or making money with ads).

The good thing is that you at long last get real facts from these people, whether they are good or bad, they are at least facts, not speculation and hearsay.

And can be watched here. Forget the rumours, let's hear the facts.

Okay ... best wait for any sort of official confirmation here before commenting. Heck, now I start some second hand info thread ... I'll be away castigating myself for a while now!

Then again ... Liam McLeod @liammcleod79 The administrators for #Rangers say no players or Ibrox staff will be sacked today.They say it'll be next week before anyone's told Martyn McLaughlin @MartynMcL Duff & Phelps also refute rumours that players have been asked to play without being paid #Rangers

... following a meeting with the adminstrators. Needs confirmation though.