RANGERRAB

Are tickets still available? If so where can you get them?

We need a couple of decent forwards preferably with pace and physical strength who will work opponents defences a bit more than we saw tonight.

If we're to do anything in the SC we'll need 3 or 4 players in january for the positions which were shown tonight where we need better quality than what we've currently got

It's a common yahoo tactic - repeat a lie often enough and people will start to believe it.

This would be the danger of over-reliance on a youth set-up to provide first team players. It's only when they step out of their own age group they can really be assessed as to what level they might play at. The vast majority won't be able to reach the standard we'd like them to get to. This is where a proper scouting set up comes in. Do we have one in place yet?

A lot more than just one I'd suggest EDITED for comp's inappropriate word usage

FWIW I'd like to see Oduwa getting a few goals. The lad has unquestionable talent. Just needs an end product to his game.

What John Greig & Jock Wallace got when they left Rangers was peanuts in comparison to what McCoist got

Just the Supreme Court. If they get allowed to which I doubt.

No surprise. All I want to know is who was behind all of this in the first place.

In what way we're entitled to come after us for £m's ? I'll say again the FTTT & UTTT verdicts suggest otherwise. What entitled them to send a bill for £24m ? Which tax laws were being broken in this EBT scheme which entitled them to do this? Please do elaborate and tell us. I fail to understand why you & others on here continue to defend HMRC. SDM may have gambled but HMRC gambled even more by sending us this bill. We need to know why.

We've been fortunate that all of the players we signed in the summer(not the loan signings) have come in & done a reasonably good job so far. But that's not always been the case. McCoist was putting SPL journeymen on longterm deals they'd never have got anywhere else. Last season that went badly wrong when they got found out big style. That cost us a fortune & DK alluded to this when all those players got released at the end of last season. Loan signings generally aren't longterm & if they don't impress then it's not as bad as having two years or so remaining on their contracts like McCoists SPL journeymen

Sorry never heard of him.

Which Shellik is the article referring to ? Pacific Shelf 595 or HMS402 or the old company? There's three Shellik companies remember

EBT's were a perfectly legal form of tax avoidance until George Osborne closed down that tax loophole late 2010, Thousands of UK companies used them. What evidence do you have that HMRC 'had every right to chasedown that EBT liability' ? The FTTT & UTTT results seem to suggest there was no tax due don't you agree? So what was it that made HMRC send a tax demand for £24m in mid 2010 just before the General Election? Whose decision was it? Was there political influence from the Labour Party? I think We deserve answers don't you?

Well said. Don't forget LBG too. It's all too easy to point the finger at 'people wearing Rangers ties' but I believe the actions of both HMRC & LBG (before & after Whyte) were deliberate and aimed to cause as financial damage to Rangers as possible & needs a public enquiry to expose those who were behind all of & their reasons for doing so.

Their next & last appeal route would need to be the UK Supreme Court. They may not be able to do that because the Supreme Court have supposedly warned the Scottish Courts about sending futile cases to them. I'd imagine this would be one of them

All of this has got me thinking DK might know the BTC appeal verdict from the court of session. Why else would he start talking about reviving the oldco? He couldn't do it if it had lost could he?

It was Craig Whyte, HMRC & LBG who collectively caused Rangers troubles. And TIcketus too probably. Whyte should never have got anywhere near buying Rangers & had Ticketus not been falling over themselves to give him money he wouldn't have. HMRC for causing imaginary debt levels by sending out EBT taxbills to which they weren't entitled & inexpicably allowing Whyte to run up PAYE/NI arrears. And if LBG forced SDM to sell to Whyte ( then withdrew all bank credit facilities) then they are the most culpable of all

I don't think I've ever seen a team play to such an extreme the way Livingston did today whereby their gameplan was simply to get eleven men behind the ball when we were in possession and hit on the break whenever possible.

Whyte emerged late 2010 as a prospective buyer of Rangers from SDM. IIRC he was allegedly going thro the books prior to making an offer which we now know to be utter tosh. He got Rangers in May the following year to our cost under circumstances which were investigated and now going to trial in the High Court But It was widely reported in the media at the time when he emerged as a prospective buyer. Why then did HMRC sit back, do nothing and simply let Whyte acquire Rangers in the six months or so since he appeared on the scene if he already owed them millions? BDO have HMRC down as a creditor for for around £94m. The vast majority of that is a BTC which they have lost and PAYE/NI arrears they inexplicably allowed Whyte to run up. Can they seriously say a liquidation allowed them better 'investigative powers' ? They only real debt they were owed was their own fault I.e. PAYE/NI arrears by Whyte. As I said earlier HMRC should be subject to a Public Enquiry for all of this . LBG too.

First time I've ever seen a team wasting time at 2-0 down in a domestic league game with 30 or 40 minutes still to play. Their keeper took an eternity to take byekicks

If they really wanted to go after Whyte why did they wait until he got hold control of Rangers? Before he got Rangers he already owed HMRC millions. HMRC's actions throughout have always looked to me as if they were out to damage Rangers in whatever way they could.And use Whyte as their excuse We need a public enquiry to investigate both HMRC & LBG

I thought the football creditors £3m got paid? And the question is without including the BTC could HMRC have blocked the CVA? Ticketus were prepared to do a CVA IIRC

Not sure where the OP gets these stats from. Must be including challenge cup & LC games. The problems last season were very apparent before the end of Sept when we'd played seven league games, winning four, drawing away to Alloa and losing two to both hertz & hibz at home. The wheels were well & truly starting to come off at an early stage of the season.