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  1. barca72
    That's fair-do's. You will, I hope, accept that to some fans the Loyalist songs are as preferential to them as the traditional Rangers' songs are to you. We are indeed a broad church and as such can accomodate a wide variety for all.
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    You are not posting anything wrong. You are following your credo as you know it, and it has been at Ibrox for a long time. There are some posters who are facetiously trying to put you down. Ask them to whom the following definition applies, you or them - World English Dictionary bigot (ˈbɪɡət) — n a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race [C16: from Old French: name applied contemptuously to the Normans by the French, of obscure origin] 'bigoted — adj
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    You're right of course, I guess I have to accept your precept. I have seen many things in my lifetime change, which in the beginning were completely beyond conception. The world truly is becoming a global village. The concern for Rangers is that without that central Protestant core, what is there for a global support to latch on to. We can never compete with the EPL from a financial standpoint, over here that is by far the biggest market followed by the various European leagues. We are only a suffix to them from a programming standpoint. Rangers and Celtic have played on the religious divide to make the "old firm" derby into a worlwide phenomenon. If you take that religious element out of it, it is just another local derby. By the standard we seen from the Scottish champions last night, it is not very high. Where will the passion come from? This new board have a challenge on their hands to generate the revenue required to keep us in the top level.
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    That's what drew you to and keeps you at the Rangers' matches? You knew the 90-min entertainment package went with the football when you started supporting Rangers, why change it now?
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    Good question. I don't know if I could fully answer that question. I would say that a person should read that blog by D'Art when he explained the P/U/L/ culture and tie-in with the Rangers support and culture. I would say that some days the only atmosphere at Ibrox comes from the BF1 area housing the Union Bears and the Blue Order. Leaving aside the content of their songsheet for a moment, I would say their common trait is passion. When anyone leaves Ibrox and they declare "That was a great game", are they describing the football on display, the atmosphere, the self contribution to the whole production? Most of the posters on this thread have, at some point, admitted when they were younger of vigorously belting out these very songs against which they are arguing. They give the impression that as a young man ( unbeatable and indestructable to be sure ) they belted out these very favourites against which they now rail. The greatest anthem of them all - The Billy Boys - galvanized us to our toe nails, that one alone got us hooked. I can't tell you one thing that on its own turned me into a Rangers supporter. The whole package I suppose brought me back week after week. Took me all the way to Barcelona in 1972. Now we are older and have the ability to look beyond the moment and contemplate the right and the wrong of a situation. The passion and energy has abated somewhat, but not the deeply held support for Rangers. I go back to cup finals at Hampden when there was near enough 100,000 fans packed into its terracings. Half on one side and half on the other hurling abuse at one another, and not a word of that noise understood by the target for whom it was intended. We didn't know the words to most of their songs, didn't care. The worst thing that could happen to you was that some drunk would pish on your leg or a bottle or can would come out of the sky behind you. Didn't matter, your team had done their job on the park and you had put that other lot in their place. You went home completely exhilarated or completely depressed, but job done. Bring on next week. Rangers have a huge global support and you have to wonder why that is. Is it the scintillating football they produce each week, is it the lawyer approved song sheet from which they sing each week? What is it that can galvanize a world wide audience for Rangers? Do you think it is because the songs are sung with or without a UVF influence, or do they matter? When we were coming up we were inducted into the culture that surrounded Rangers, we embraced it, we knew what it was and we came back for more - with a passion. The world is changing, sure it is. Are all things that are changing for the better? Who knows? Do we have the right to deny the young up-and-coming fan of today the elements of the culture which induced us to follow our passion? I don't know. To each his own I suppose.
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    It's a killer.
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    I agree with you there.
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    These truly are disgusting actions and a horrible death for that man. I assume Thomas Madden was an IRA man and this incident happened in the 60/70's. No wonder the GB support the IRA.
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    Those lyrics certainly appear to be about WW1.
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    Why would he sing about them rather than these other allies who fought with Britain in WW1? Allies were: Australia, Britain, Canada, India, South Africa, New Zealand, France, Japan, the Russian Empire, a number of Arab Bedouin tribes, Greece, Italy, Belgium.
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    It was part of a division, though. http://www.1914-1918.net/36div.htm The 36th (Ulster) Division in 1914-1918 The history of 36th (Ulster) Division In September 1914, the Ulster Division was formed from the Ulster Volunteer Force which raised thirteen battalions for the three Irish regiments based in Ulster: the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, the Royal Irish Fusiliers and the Royal Irish Rifles. A unique situation existed. This summary is from Ray Westlake’s “Kitchener’s Army”: “It took several weeks after war was declared that permission to form an Ulster Division was granted. The Ulster Volunteer Force, a Protestant organisation created by Sir Edward Carson as a force to counter the threat of the Home Rule Bill, was already in existence and its members were as eager as any to join the war. However, due to the political situation in Ireland, things were held up. Many volunteers refused to wait and either crossed to England or Scotland to enlist, or joined the 10th or 16th Divisions already being formed by the War Office in Ireland. With over 80,000 members, it was clear that the UVF was in a position to make an important contribution to the recruitment of the New Armies. Lord Kitchener met with Sir Edward Carson in London who, although eager to help was concerned at how the situation in Ireland might turn while his force was away at war. The Government were not able to give any guarantees that might put Sir Edward’s mind at rest. However, he later agreed to raise a Division, without any conditions, and within days had placed an order for 10,000 uniforms with a London firm of outfitters.” The UVF was not only organised, but trained to some extent as a military force, and had been armed. It was therefore considerably more advanced as a formed body of men than the similar formations of the New Armies now being created elsewhere.These battalions were clothed and administered by their raisers in the same way as the locally raised New Army battalions in Great Britain, although the UVF was at a high state of readiness in August 1914 as a result of heightened tensions in connection with the Home Rule debate that had occurred earlier in the year". 1914 August: Formed in Ireland as the Ulster Division, with Brigades numbered 1,2 and 3. On 28 August 1914, the Division and its Brigades adopted the titles shown on this page. 1915 July: the Division moved to Seaford on the Sussex coast of England. Lord Kitchener inspected the Division there on 27 July 1915, and later remarked to Carson “your Division of Ulstermen is the finest I have yet seen”. Another inspection took place, by King George V, on 30 September 3-6 October: the Division moved to France, although the artillery remained in England until November. The Ulster Division initially concentrated in the area around Flesselles, some ten miles north of Arras. Gradually, men were sent in groups for familiarisation with trench warfare conditions, and were attached to the regular army 4th Division for the purpose in the (at this time) quiet are north of the River Ancre near Albert. On 21 October the Division was moved away from the fighting area towards Abbeville, where it spent most of the winter of 1915-16 continuing training. One of the Brigades was attached to 4th Division for several weeks at this time and the artillery finally rejoined. 1916 The whole Division finally took over a complete section of the front line on 7 February, between the River Ancre and the Mailly-Maillet to Serre road. Division HQ was at Acheux. In the first week of March, the Division extended its front, the 109th Brigade taking over the sector south of the Ancre, known by the name of Thiepval Wood. The Division remained in the Western Front in France and Flanders throughout the rest of the war. The Great War cost 36th (Ulster) Division 32186 men killed, wounded or missing.
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    Sorry, I didn't see your other post. Did you inform Rangers of this testimony? It appears an injustice has been done here, or are they are punishing her for transporting the flare. I suppose the boy is too young to be dealt with in adult court. However, he's not too young to be banned by the club.
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    Former Scottish Police Federation chairman Les Gray said yobbery was soaring after clubs cut the number of officers at games to save cash. He added: “Police are becoming piggy in the middle. They are criticised for not going in to sort out the troublemakers but there weren’t enough officers to do that. “Fans realise they can get away with more as there are fewer police so try to push the boundaries. “The police get criticised for not diving in but if they did, they would have got their heads kicked in. “It’s wrong to just pick on Celtic fans as the problem is wider than that.” One 16 year old girl arrested last week at Falkirk, subsequently dealt with. The MSM have not reported any other fan group who have trashed stadia or let off smoke bombs/flares. Police afraid to intervene, oh my. Would you like to ammend that statement, Les?
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    How do you know this, and why does the girl appear to be wrongly punished?
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    Who was the flame thrower?
  17. barca72
    NEWSFLASH ... Who gives a toss?
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    Here's Lennon toeing the party line here. This is the guy who asked for and got the help of the GB to bring back the thunder to Parkhead. He praised them to high heavens. They even had a banner saying "We are all Neil Lennon". They are awash in CL money, they don't need them now. He even blamed them for the defeat to AC Milan. What a two-faced SOB. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/447928/Celtic-boss-Neil-Lennon-says-troublemaking-Green-Brigade-fanbase-had-to-go Celtic boss Neil Lennon says troublemaking Green Brigade fanbase had to go NEIL LENNON insists Celtic had no choice but to come down hard on the rogue faction of their fanbase because they were creating a powderkeg atmosphere that was going to result in someone getting seriously hurt. By: Scott BurnsPublished: Tue, December 10, 2013 The Green Brigade fanbase of Celtic have been blamed for a 'powderkeg' atmosphere [ROSS TURPIE] The club decided enough was enough after an element of their away support caused more than £10,000 damage at Fir Park – trashing more than 200 seats in the South Stand and setting off flares – during Friday night’s 5-0 victory over Motherwell. The Hoops subsequently banned 128 fans from all games, home and away, and then closed section 111 at Celtic Park, home to the notorious Green Brigade. Boss Lennon said: “The club has made its stance pretty clear and there was an air of inevitability about it. There have been repeated warnings and the club was put in a corner and had to react. It has done swiftly. I don’t like to see flares and I don’t like seeing smoke bombs. I don’t think they bring anything to the game and obviously the damage done at Fir Park is not like us Neil Lennon “It’s very disappointing because they have added something spectacular at times to the stadium in terms of atmosphere. “But in the last two or three years, you’ve felt a change in the atmosphere at times. “It was something I’ve not experienced before in my time here. “I don’t know what the right word would be – it’s been a sort of powderkeg, almost, in the wrong way. “I don’t like to see flares and I don’t like seeing smoke bombs. I don’t think they bring anything to the game and obviously the damage done at Fir Park is not like us. “Will it take something as extreme as somebody getting hurt to stop people bringing them into games? I don’t know. I don’t see what purpose they serve.” Lennon also believes the troublemakers were only hanging on to the coat-tails of the team and their main priority was causing chaos. “For some of them Celtic seem to have become a secondary element when it comes to the football,” added Lennon. “You don’t like to see that. You felt an atmosphere being generated at times that had an edge to it.”
  19. barca72
    What you are advocating sounds great in theory, eh? Dreams are great, bud. Then there is real life ...
  20. barca72
    It's another excuse they can use. It was someone else's fault.
  21. barca72
    "A ban on 128 supporters was instantly imposed pending a probe into Friday night's shame game at Motherwell." UEFA deal with the banner stuff tomorrow, eh? I wonder what the probe's findings will be next week when there is no one to impress? I'll believe it when I see no one sitting in section 111.
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    Before we get too carried away with this euphoric statement, remember this. It's great what they say they will do when UEFA is watching, in an attempt to reduce punishment from them. I'll believe it when I see it. http://m.stv.tv/news/west-central/235113-green-brigades-section-111-of-celtic-park-closed-over-safety-fears/ Celtic to relocate supporters in Green Brigade section over safety fears 05 August 2013 18:28 BST Green Brigade: Celtic announced section 111 would be closed. Pic: SNS Group Celtic is to relocate fans from the section of its stadium where the controversial Green Brigade ultras group is based. On Monday, the club informed members of the Green Brigade section 111 of Celtic Park would be subject to new restrictions over concerns about safety. Last month Celtic had warned of the possible closure of the section following crowd trouble at their UEFA Champions League qualifier against Cliftonville. The club issued a statement on Monday evening saying: "It is therefore with extreme regret that for safety reasons, the Club has taken the decision to relocate supporters currently sitting within Area 111 of the Stadium, where there have been continued examples of unsafe behaviour. Supporters who do not wish to be relocated may choose to receive a pro rata refund and return their season ticket. "This is not a decision that has been taken lightly. Supporters in this section provide the team with excellent vocal backing. We have also seen some highly imaginative and original displays which have brought colour and energy to Celtic Park and the Club has on a number of occasions acknowledged the positive contribution the group make on a match day. We must, however, balance this against the need to ensure that we provide a safe environment for all supporters. "We are sure all our supporters understand that it would be inconceivable and irresponsible for the Club not to deal with this issue with the utmost seriousness. We are sure our supporters will also agree that we have given those fans within this section every opportunity to change behaviour. However, the Club has now been left with no choice. Safety is paramount. "The Club’s sole motivation in this situation is the safety of its supporters — nothing else. The Club and its Directors are ultimately liable for the safety of all supporters within Celtic Park and failure to ensure their safety could have serious repercussions." The Parkhead club had given the Green Brigade and other spectators sitting in the section two games to improve their behavior or face action being taken. In response to the move, the fans' group had earlier released a statement online. It read: "The Green Brigade are disappointed to announce that our section in 111 is to be closed by Celtic Football Club. "Pathetically, this is due to ‘lateral movement’ which has been deemed ‘unsafe’ by the club’s directors. Our group and section has continually made concessions and strived to be co-operative with the club over various safety concerns so we are left dismayed that such drastic and immediate action has been taken over such a trivial and harmless movement. "The group is currently seeking legal advice and will consult with those in our section over the coming days. A detailed statement shall be released over the next few days and we'd advise all within our section to take no action until we have had the opportunity to discuss our options together. We would like to stress that this is not the end of the Green Brigade. "Decisions and hurdles like these will only strengthen our group's resolve. We would like to thank the Celtic support who have continually backed, funded and inspired our group from our formation to the present day and we can assure you that none of this support will have been in vain." Uefa had opened disciplinary proceedings against Celtic by the governing body after flares were used during the match against Cliftonville. Celtic have admitted "three fireworks exploded" within section 111 of the stadium, the area in which the Green Brigade is situated. The club have also claimed 131 seats were damaged by the group at the match. The Parkhead club said it would monitor the behaviour of the supporters in section 111 at the two following games, a friendly against Borussia Monchengladbach and the first leg of its European qualifier versus IF Elfsborg last week.
  23. barca72
    He was duped, remember.
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    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/447514/Celtic-s-Green-Brigade-deny-causing-Fir-Park-damage Celtic's Green Brigade deny causing Fir Park damage CELTIC’s notorious Green Brigade last night claimed their members were not responsible for the trashing of Fir Park or lobbing of flares. By: Iain MacfarlanePublished: Sun, December 8, 2013 0Comments Celtic's Green Brigade claimed their members were not responsible for the damage [ACTION IMAGES] However, a statement condemning vandalism and then denying direct responsibility for such acts at Friday’s Premiership clash with Motherwell might not wash with Celtic chiefs, who not only need to act but need to be seen to act swiftly against yobbish Hoops fans. With UEFA set to hammer the Bhoys this week for the “political” display of banners at the recent Champions league clash with AC Milan and the SPFL now probing the wrecking spree in Lanarkshire, Celtic are poised to hit back at renegade supporters. One action being looked at by the Celtic board is relocating season ticket holders from the Green Brigade section of Parkhead to numerous parts of the ground that are unoccupied at home games.By diluting the Green Brigade “stronghold”, Celtic may hope to wipe out the potential for further acts that reflect badly on the club. Celtic have also vowed to track down and ban the fans who shamed the club during Friday’s game screened on BT Sport. The scenes after the game stunned Well directors and SPFL match delegate Alan Dick, who has detailed the incident in a report due to be delivered to Hampden chiefs today. It is understood that report will detail the acts of vandalism, the lighting of flares and setting off of fireworks – the likes of which have not been seen in a Scottish ground outside an Old Firm game since hooliganism was at its peak in the 1980s. Incredibly, despite over 100 seats being ripped up, metal frames being mangled, slogans daubed on seating and pyrotechnics being smuggled into the unofficial Green Brigade section of the away stand, Police Scotland made no arrests. An over-reliance on cheaper stewarding and a cutback on the number of police officers used at grounds may now need to be re-evaluated in the wake of Friday’s events, which started before the game and carried on throughout the 90 minutes in a relatively small and easily identifiable area of the Fir Park south stand. Celtic and Motherwell are studying CCTV images to see if culprits can be pinpointed and prosecuted, but lack of direct action on the night will hamper their hopes of issuing banning orders. They are already setting the stage for the fault to be someone else's, i.e. Police Scotland. They can't get banning orders, so they have to distribute them around the ground hence they don't lose their ST money. Phoney baloney !!
  25. barca72
    Not a chance!! They might have to put their money where their mouth was ...
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