barca72
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To overcome a problem you first have to identify the problem. If there is more than one problem then each problem has to be dealt with on its own. If Celtic have a problem then they need to deal with it, and it alone, on their own along with authorities. If Rangers have a problem then they also need to deal with it on their own along with authorities. Similarly any other club who might have a problem. This habit of the MSM of comparing the misdeeds of one support with any misdeeds of another support only allows the offending club to deflect from the real problem. Celtic have indicated that they are appalled by the Green Brigade's behaviour, fine. Why should the MSM compare that to a single flare at Falkirk, let Celtic get on with it and deal with it at the same time letting the public know what is happening. Keep the case in the headlines until a conclusion is reached. Otherwise it is a case of deny, deflect, not our problem but a societal problem, and the case just peters out without dealing with the problem. Already the GB have issued a statement indicating that the dirty deeds were done by 100+ yobs who have attached themselves to their banner unofficially. Now Lawwell can either believe that or he can do what he should have done after all the other misdeeds in the last few seasons - deal with the GB swiftly, harshly and properly. After he's done that, then you Hugh, can feel as free as you want to do comparisons with the single flare thrower at Falkirk who was caught, processed and dealt with in under a week. It only takes a will on the part of the club affected to deal with the problem properly. You can't foresee the conduct of individual nutters, but you can control the direction of a culture.
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Celtic fans rioting in Motherwell tonight?
barca72 replied to Zappa's topic in General Football Chat
I am in 'shock and awe' that someone in the MSM has finally criticised the untouchables. What will Liewell do about this? Move over Hugh. -
Celtic fans rioting in Motherwell tonight?
barca72 replied to Zappa's topic in General Football Chat
You wonder what is going on when the 16 yr. old girl at Falkirk is processed and charged in under a week, and here are 22 incidents and not one person even identified. How many grounds have they caused problems at and only once, in Amsterdam, have they been charged? You wonder if CFC have Police Scotland in their back pocket as well. -
Celtic fans rioting in Motherwell tonight?
barca72 replied to Zappa's topic in General Football Chat
Looks like they were at it in the stadium as an appetizer for what you speak of ... Ambrose's night at Fir Park spoiled by Celtic fans ripping up seats and letting off flares during Motherwell rout By Graeme Yorke PUBLISHED: 23:48 GMT, 6 December 2013 | UPDATED: 00:03 GMT, 7 December 2013 Efe Ambrose celebrated the best day of his life in spectacular fashion – on a night when a 5-0 Celtic win over Motherwell was marred by the actions of visiting fans at Fir Park. Neil Lennon’s men swept to victory but could yet face disciplinary repercussions, as away supporters in the South Stand damaged seats and let off flares and smoke bombs before and during the game. SPFL match delegate Alan Dick inspected the damage post-match and, depending on the content of his report, the visiting support may end up souring memories of an occasion when Celtic were superb – and Ambrose was more than memorable. Smoke screen: Celtic goalkeeper Fraser Forster asks what he should do as a flare engulfs his goal Clean-up operation: A steward at Fir Park removes a smoke canister from the pitch Surveying the damage: Stewards look at the South Stand's seat which were ripped up by Celtic fans Nothing like a walk in the Park: Seats from the South Stand lie on the track after being damaged In England, the Barclays Premier League have already launched an official campaign designed to combat the increasing use of flares and smoke bombs inside stadiums. The campaign is a measured response to the unfortunate chain of events at Villa Park in October that led to the assistant referee Dave Bryan being struck by a flare thrown from the Tottenham end during the match between Aston Villa and Spurs. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2519675/Efe-Ambroses-night-Fir-Park-spoiled-Celtic-fans-ripping-seats-letting-flares-5-0-Motherwell-win.html#ixzz2mlua4Ahx -
I get the feeling that Stockbridge was obliged to apply financial rules which stopped Green and Ahmad from stripping more money from the club than they did.
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That's ever so kind of you.
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Liewell says that these people who have embarrassed the club will be identified and banned. Padraig Mullen was treated to a private tour of the piggery yesterday. ( There is a picture to go with this caption from RM but I can't get the picture to copy)
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Sarcasm noted, Pete.
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/westminster-mps-table-motion-condemning-2867719
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1. Kids might be able to play attractive football but not in the lower divisions of Scottish football against the hackers and kneebreakers that populate these leagues. You don't remember the impatient booing at some of the games last year? We would all love to see Rangers playing like Barcelona, but there is a difference between something fresh and Utopian dreams. 2&3. I don't believe the wages are as high as 15 M GBP, but how else would you be able to keep a team that wins two leagues in a row, that cost 1 M GBP for less than what we're paying? You want a young team to win three leagues in a row, plus maybe a few cups, then go straight into Europe and pay them on a shoestring? Aye right. These young players that you quoted with the other SPL teams , tell me how many leagues, cups and European matches have they won? As far as putting a price on a championship that's up to the new board to decide and generate the revenues required. 4. Tell me how many SPL players have been acquired by the present SPL champions? Two, maybe three. Mulgrew and Brown come to mind. The rest are foreigners. How much is their wage bill? A right load of nonsense that, eh? Oh, and by the way, after selling 20 M GBP worth of players and pocketing two season's worth of CL money how good a team are the present Scottish champions? Maybe you could ask AC Milan or Ajax.
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1. I've already answered that - standard of play, the fans' impatience was palpable. 2. I've already answered that too, I said "except wages". However, to expand on that. To attract a better standard costs money. If we want to attract even better players and have them bedded in before we reach the SPL, then we have to show them that it will be worth their while coming to a team that can challenge for Europe as soon as possible. [ If we win the Scottish Cup, the SFA can petition UEFA to give us a special one year permission to compete in the CL or Europa Cup, despite our three year ban from Europe. Check the UEFA articles. ] 3. No, realistically it's not. 4. These young players could be the up-and-comers, so there was nothing silly about it. As for Brown, I consider him to be a goon who occasionally plays a good pass. As for addressing your post, if Ally can improve a team in each trading window as much as he did this team from last season then I can live with his "short-termism"
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Aw, c'mon man is that really fair? Last year we were forced to play a lot more young players than we wanted to and you seen the standard of play. Most games were a bombscare. You never knew which side of the players were going to turn up. Youth means inconsistency. Sure we won the league convincingly, but that should not have been and was not that hard. We took a small step up this season and have lost just one game all season. Most games we have come to expect to win. This feels better. The cost has been virtually nothing - except wages. We watched the game against Falkirk and realised that what Ally has been saying is true. We need a few more good, reasonably experienced players for the next stage. This season we may reach the semis before that point is driven home emphatically. So far the board have not given Ally a budget to buy good players, too busy making payoffs to the spivs. If this board prove to be as good as their CV's then we may see a couple of signings in each of the next three windows, perhaps some will be young up-and-comers. Before you start telling me about the good young players in some of the SPL teams, remind me if that league is competitive or is it a one-horse race?
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You are well into the youth football as previous posts have indicated. As a matter of interest, how many young players per season do you realistically expect should be coming through to the first team from Auchenhowie?
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SA, you'll be glad you didn't watch it now. Hearts 0 - 7 Celtic Match info: Scottish Cup at Tynecastle Stadium Date: 01/12/2013 KO: 15:00 Ref: W Collum Att: 10,636 Home team/scorers Scores Away team/scorers Hearts 0vs 7 Celtic Kris Commons 3,21,59 (pen) Scott Brown 34,75 Joe Ledley 42 Mikael Lustig 44 FT (ht: 0-5)
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Andy, Your not wrong. Here's tomorrow's Scotsman with the inimitable Tom English. The idiot who threw the flare has allowed English to use the first five paragraphs of his article to minimise the damage done by the GB and put it on an equal footing with the behaviour yesterday of part of our support. It just hands Lunny what he needs to escape doing his job properly. Either way Rangers will pay for that nonsense. http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/falkirk-0-2-rangers-scottish-cup-win-for-gers-1-3215167
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What do you think Lenny, always cheated never defeated, eh? It just has to be someone else's fault, never Celtic's. Why would you expect anything different, you are one of them? Of course what you are saying is correct, but I suspect it is too late to expect UEFA to back off this time. http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/445938/Neil-Lennon-tells-Celtic-s-Green-Brigade-Stop-this-Bhoys Neil Lennon tells Celtic's Green Brigade: Stop this, Bhoys NEIL LENNON last night slammed the Green Brigade and urged them to stop damaging Celtic’s reputation. By: Michael Baillie Published: Fri, November 29, 2013 Neil Lennon has urged the fans to stop damaging his club's reputation The Hoops are in the dock once again after UEFA announced they were opening disciplinary proceedings over controversial banner displays before Tuesday’s Champions League loss to AC Milan. Celtic boss Lennon admitted he slumped when he saw the banners, which had images of William Wallace and former IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands with the message, “The terrorist or the dreamer, the savage or the brave, depends whose vote you’re trying to catch or whose face you’re trying to save”. Lennon feels let down by the controversial Green Brigade. He said: “When I saw it, my heart sank. I think it affected the atmosphere in the stadium. “I understand they have maybe legitimate reasons to complain about things or make statements, but Tuesday night was not the time or the place. We don’t know the next time we will be in the Champions League so those games should have been a celebration rather than a political protest. It was totally unnecessary. “The club are quite sympathetic at times to their points of view but they assured us there wouldn’t be any political connotations on the banners and that proved not to be the case. “I feel let down because it has tarnished the reputation of the club. “It’s not just costing us money in terms of fines, it’s damaging the reputation of the club, and I don’t like it. “We were given assurances the banners would be Celtic related. They feel they are Celtic related but I think the majority of people – the board and everyone else – would say, ‘Sorry, that’s not the case, you’ve taken liberties here’.” Celtic have warned the Green Brigade before, when they were fined £21,000 by UEFA for an offensive banner against Udinese in 2011 and given a £4,200 penalty for letting off fireworks against Cliftonville in July. The Hoops have warned the fans responsible for the banner that they will be banned. And, while Lennon would not want the Green Brigade disbanded, he insists Celtic Park is not the place for political statements. You could feel it, sense it around the stadium. There was definitely an air of a lot of fans being subdued Asked if he’d be sorry to see them outlawed, Lennon replied: “I would. But Celtic Park is not a place to be making political statements. There are many places you can do that. We are here for the football. The fans were there on Tuesday night for the football. “There were a lot of people from all over the world there. A lot had travelled a long way and were probably confused by the whole thing as I certainly was. I just didn’t expect to see that.” Lennon presented the SPL trophy to the Green Brigade as a thank you for their support following his first title success, but insists the fans have now gone too far with their actions. He said: “That was for all the support they had given me and for the atmosphere they brought to the ground. “But since then they have taken things into their own hands. They don’t represent the vast majority of the Celtic fans’ voices. “They should have regrets about Tuesday. This was the Champions League. I walked out to hear the music and take in the atmosphere. “But then I end up standing looking at that banner asking, ‘Why?’ “You could feel it, sense it around the stadium. There was definitely an air of a lot of fans being subdued. They were trying to work it out, and they were fed-up with it. “They really showed a case of self-indulgence.”
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Wow ! They have no excuse now for not identifying each and everyone of them.
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They are not martyrs, they are not political prisoners - they are/were terrorists. They did NOT die primarily fighting the criminalisation of themselves, they chose to die because they broke the established laws of the U.K. These laws were in place before they chose to take the actions they did which broke these laws. These laws are enacted to protect the citizens of the U.K. and anyone who disagrees with these laws can either attempt to change these laws by enacting new ones or they can take themselves from the U.K.'s borders and live with laws that they agree with. The Green Brigade seem to think that the citizens of the U.K. have to feel the same way they do, and because of this they think they can break established U.K. law to make their point. When they break the laws of the U.K. they should feel the effects of the Justice System of the U.K., the same as anyone else would. Any individual who emmigrates to another country understands that he must adapt to the laws and culture of that new country. This does not mean that they have to give up their heritage and culture, just that it must be adapted to be inclusive within the new country's culture without breaking any laws. Hypocrisy indeed. The U.K. does not suffer rebels gladly, and its patience is not infinite.
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No SFA investigation for a similar banner at the weekend then? It would appear that FocCUS have been asked to look into the H-block banner.
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Caesar Pete is getting in on it now ... http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11787/9045217/celtic-chief-executive-peter-lawwell-hits-out-over-illicit-banner Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell hits out over illicit banner Last Updated: November 27, 2013 6:15pm 0 Peter Lawwell: Critical of those who unveiled banner Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell has described the actions of those who revealed an illicit banner at their Champions League game with AC Milan as showing "clear disrespect for the club." UEFA has opened disciplinary proceedings into the matter and Lawwell has slammed those responsible for the banner in an impassioned message on the club's official website. "Last night was nothing more than clear disrespect for the club and our supporters who now face another UEFA charge," the statement read. "There have now been a number of UEFA charges made against the club during the last three years, relating to behaviour, displays and pyrotechnics - it cannot go on any further. "Let's be very clear. Following the actions of a small minority, these charges are made against the CLUB. It is the reputation of Celtic, our great club and our great fans which is damaged, while others carry on indulging in such behaviour. "Regardless of the political views people hold, football stadia, whether it is Celtic Park or anywhere else, should not be used to promote these. "This is something which all football authorities, including UEFA, have stressed for some time and something well known by all supporters. "The club don't want it, our manager and our team don't want it, our supporters don't want it and the football authorities don't want it - it has to stop. "Celtic is a world-class football club and rightly proud of its wonderful reputation in the game. This is a reputation hard-earned by our supporters over many years. We cannot and will not allow this reputation to be tarnished any further." Aye right Pete. Celtic were fined £4,221 earlier this season by UEFA after fireworks were set off by supporters during their Champions League qualifier against Northern Irish side Cliftonville. They were also punished twice during their 2011/12 season Europa League campaign after supporters displayed an offensive banner and set off flares during an away game with Udinese. Celtic were also handed a £13,000 fine for "illicit chanting" in the same competition during their game with French side Rennes. Neil Lennon's side cannot now qualify for the knockout stages of the competition or the Europa League after they were beaten 3-0 at Parkhead but they now face problems off the pitch, with UEFA due to consider the matter next month. "Disciplinary proceedings have been opened against Celtic FC for an incident of a non-sporting nature (illicit banner) at last night's UEFA Champions League match against AC Milan in Glasgow," read a UEFA statement. "The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body meeting on 11 December." The disciplinary code of European football's governing body states clubs may be subject to disciplinary measures if supporters are found to have used "gestures, words, objects or any other means to transmit any message that is not fit for a sports event, particularly messages that are of a political, ideological, religious, offensive or provocative nature." Meanwhile, a man has been reported to police for allegedly shining a light onto the pitch at Celtic Park. "A 25-year-old man is subject of a report to the procurator fiscal in connection with allegedly shining a laser pen on to the pitch at Celtic Park during the match on Tuesday 26th November," Police Scotland confirmed.
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Found a report ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25121394 27 November 2013 Last updated at 08:01 ET Share this pageEmail Print Share this page Man arrested over laser light incident at Celtic gameA 25-year-old man has been arrested after a laser light was shone on to the pitch during Tuesday's Champions League match at Celtic Park. Pictures from the game showed a green light on the face of AC Milan goalkeeper Christian Abbiati. The 25-year-old is now the subject of a report to the procurator fiscal. Celtic's lost the match 3-0 ensuring a last place finish in their group. The result also means they will not qualify for the Europa League.
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What about the laser beam on the goalkeeper, any news on that?
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I wonder who Caesar Pete and the TLB will blame this time. It's November and the only thing they have left in Europe is the Amsterdam 5.
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It would appear that we shall be in a position of weakness for a few seasons yet ... "Membership of the SPL automatically confers SFA membership. Membership of the SFL does not. Under Article 6.3 a club desiring full SFA membership must first become an associate member. A club can only be admitted as an associate member if it complies with, and undertakes to continue to comply with, the Membership Criteria. Once an associate member has been such for five years, it can apply for full membership." To paraphrase the criteria, we more or less have to keep our nose clean and not rock the boat. In effect it means that we do what Ally has been doing, make friends on the way back. Actions like the Lawwell complaint could in fact hurt us. Almost helpless comes to mind. We have to bind our time with almost a full ledger.
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The giving just keeps on coming ...