barca72
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I agree. Whoever has the proper person and address to send a request to please post it. It seems like a reasonable request on the back of a Government inquiry.
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Pete, I don't doubt the veracity of your brother in law's story, however, surely the average fan would have the choice of not going to another game or reporting this terrorism to the police. Your average fan just wants to follow his team and watch a game of football without fear or favour. I find it hard to believe that less than 500 fans can terrorise and control 60000 fans. That 60000 voices sing and chant IRA slogans and songs at the behest of the GB. That they all wave Irish tricolours to satisfy the GB, that they would riot in Dundee or Amsterdam or where ever else they are ordered to by the GB. That they would en masse rally round a campaign to destroy Rangers because of the promptings of the GB. The Strathclyde police proved, when they ringed the GB when the GB attempted their illegal march to Parkhead, that they could control this terrorist gang. Surely the average fan can feel safe with that kind of protection. I think , Pete, that the average fan condones the behaviour of this element of their support because the Celtic board is seen publicly to condone the sentiments and actions of the GB. If the average fan was unhappy with the current behaviour of the GB and wanted to put a stop to it then they could complain to the police. However, this would compel the CFC board to take action against the GB. So I don't think that it is a case of the average fan not giving a shit, I think that they are quite satisfied to have this cheerleading element in their midst, albeit at arms length from their section of the ground. We as Rangers fans say that they are obsessed with us but I think it is more that they, themselves, are obsessed with their own evil.
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If that's the case, why are the majority of the sections of the stadium not encouraged to self-police this particular section when it displays such blatently offensive ( to the wider tv audience at least ) banners? I don't think that the average Celtic supporter would thank you for your support.
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He knows perfectly well our historical status. This is more about us drawing a line in the sand as to where enough is enough. We have just received a put down from Ogilvie as if we were two kids in the playground misbehaving. He thinks we should not even bother his compliance officer with such trivial complaints, and has brushed this off as a joint misadventure. To me, and for whatever reason he made it, Lawwell's remark is illustrative of how the whole cabal hold us in so little respect. Big Rod two years ago indicated the same when he screamed at a meeting that we had been cheating "them" for eleven years. How can we possibly feel that we are properly represented by the officers of the SFA when one of them feels that he can attack our brand with complete impunity. I think Rangers should indicate their disappointment with the SFA's handling of this case and demand to know of Lunny which rules he feels were not broken. Does he not feel that an attack on a member club by an SFA officer does not fall under rule 66? Rule 66: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player, referee, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute ... It may be that Rangers should keep a ledger of complaints and present it to UEFA when we require intervention to get fair treatment from this biased SFA.
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Oh, the provocation. Breaks your heart this. http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/five-celtic-fans-convicted-over-ajax-clashes-1-3197247 Five Celtic fans convicted over Ajax clashes Waiting for Video... by RORY REYNOLDS Updated on the 21 November 2013 21:58 Published 21/11/2013 12:46 FIVE Celtic fans were last night convicted of acts of violence and disorder against Dutch police officers during clashes in Amsterdam ahead of the Parkhead side’s fixture with Ajax earlier this month. A court in Amsterdam found five of the six fans facing charges guilty. The sixth was acquitted. The five were sentenced to between one and two months detention following a late night hearing at the Netherlands’ court yesterday. All five were released pending an appeal. A Celtic fan had earlier said he feared for his life when he was allegedly set upon by undercover police officers ahead of the Parkhead side’s clash with Ajax in Holland earlier this month. Damian Dobbin told a court in Amsterdam last night that six or seven plainclothed officers attacked him leaving his bleeding in the city’s Dam Square. The 23-year-old is on trial alongside five other fans following the violent scenes on 6 November. Defendants said they thought that those they were fighting were Ajax “hooligans” and not police. He said: “From nowhere six or seven, what we thought were hooligans, came running from nowhere and basically attacked us. All we done was basically fight for our lives because I was on the ground, I was covered in blood.” Padraig Mullan, 28, from Northern Ireland, also told the court: “All these guys dressed like hooligans with their hoods up and their coats zipped up came charging towards all of us...all the Celtic fans, and on the way past one of these guys ran past us and hit my girlfriend with his arm and knocked her to the floor. The guy went on and started attacking another Celtic fan.” Christiaan Visser, representing the six fans, had earlier asked the judge to free his clients, arguing they had been subjected to disproportionate violence by plain clothes police officers who mingled with the crowd at Dam Square. He also claimed that police statements were unreliable and failed to identify which supporters had been involved in the actual clash. The defendants, aged between 20 and 49, said in their statements that they were unaware that the individuals they fought with were police officers at the time. Two supporters, Andy Vance, from Blantyre, and Mr Mullan, from Northern Ireland, have spent more than two weeks in custody between the match with Ajax and yesterday’s hearing. Officers arrested 44 supporters during the incident, including 18 Celtic supporters. Twelve of the fans of the Parkhead side were previously released after each being fined up to €500, with another ten were sent home before the game. Dutch police said eight plainclothed officers were injured in the incident, which resulted in riot and mounted police descending on Dam Square. The court was shown video footage of the clashes that were shared on YouTube, which showed a group of Celtic supporters chasing a man believed to be a plainclothed police officer before attacking him. Other footage taken from the city centre showed several men, believed to be plainclothed officers, restraining Celtic supporters before repeatedly kicking and punching them. Celtic have previously stated that they were investigating the incident and said that the violence came after their fans had been “subjected to a high degree of provocation”. On the night before the match, a large number of masked Ajax supporters attacked Celtic supporters in the Old Sailor Cafe in Amsterdam’s red light district, with footage showing figures in masks smashing the windows of the bar. Nine Dutch fans were arrested in the incident, which was caught on police CCTV. Local TV station AT5 recorded an interview with a Celtic supporter who sustained injuries to his face. He said: “Police came right through the middle hitting everybody and anybody. If you weren’t quick to move out the way, that’s what you got.” An image of a police dog biting a Celtic fan in Dam Square was captured by an agency photographer. Following complaints about police behaviour, the Dutch public prosecutor has received “video footage and photographic material of the disturbances” which are now being reviewed, while police in Amsterdam are “conducting an internal review of the incident.” The Fans Against Criminalisation held an event in Glasgow at the weekend to compile eyewitness accounts from Celtic fans who were in Amsterdam during the violence that broke out between 5pm and 6pm. The group planned to submit information they compiled to the lawyers representing the Celtic fans at the trial.
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Here's another source, if you believe anything from CF - http://www.scribd.com/doc/185133831/EBT-Fine-for-NewCo
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It's not a football debt, it's a fine. Here's the quote from the article : "In February, Rangers Football Club PLC was fined £250,000 by the Lord Nimmo Smith-chaired SPL commission after it found that payments from its Employee Benefit Trust scheme were not disclosed to the football authorities. The commission found that the company's management did not take professional advice on disclosing the payments. The findings also stated that the current owners should not be held responsible for any breaches made by the previous company. Further, LNS stipulated that the current owners should NOT pay this fine. The five way agreement only covers football debts. Sorry Amms, in my opinion, this is all down to big, fat Rod. Remember the Harry Hood case has to be paid for somehow.
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I think that in this instance PL genuinely made an attempt at humour. However, his arrogance becomes a problem. He is still responsible for what he says and does. To treat Rangers and her host of supporters with complete disdain can only widen the divide, especially now he is an office bearer in the SFA and is supposed to represent all 42 clubs. Honour is something a man allows himself and the display of that honour is representative of the man. The Alaska State Troopers have a credo " In Truth and Honour there is Hope", where does that leave PL even amongst the more sensible of his own fans. I would give PL a quote from Martin Luther King : "Justice is a temporary thing that must at last come to an end; but the conscience is eternal and will never die." No Surrender, PL.
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VB calls for Peter Lawwell to resign from SFA Written by: Admin Tuesday, 19th November 2013 Vanguard Bears are disappointed but not surprised that the Scottish Football Association compliance officer, Vincent Lunny, is once again selective in the execution of his duties by failing to cite Celtic FC CEO Peter Lawwell. Mr Lawwell, in his joint roll of Celtic CEO and member of the SFA Gaming Board, has brought the game into disrepute with his unnecessary and inflammatory remarks and, to date, has failed to offer an apology for his slur against the world's most successful domestic football club, Rangers FC. It is the opinion of Vanguard Bears that Mr. Lawwell's position within the SFA is untenable and that he should resign with immediate effect.
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Firstly, that statement should have come from Rangers. Secondly, Rangers should be demanding an explanation from Lunny as to which parameters he uses to issue a citation to an indvidual. Corrupt and biased organization ( that's my opinion ).
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I am suspicious. Why are the bheastly mhedia being so fair and honest, printing such lines as - "They have, after all, got a world record 54 national titles to their name. No other football club has won as many domestic Trebles - seven to be precise - as they have."? Is there something going to happen such that they have decided to change their position? Odd.
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Very few wars are won in one battle. To get rid of this guy we are probably going to have to enlist the help of UEFA or FIFA. To achieve this we shall need a list of registered complaints showing his bias etc. There is no reason we can not start this process now and maintain our dignity. Should we just wait until something falls out of the sky and does our job for us?
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It was a remark made at a public gathering and reported in the press ( see the Scotsman, so far ), if he can't remember how many hats he has to wear then we should not be shy in reminding him. As to how far this is taken will depend on how much leverage the SFA still has over us. I suspect the Easdales would welcome the exercise. I missed your, What?, that was a reference to your original post.
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If you don't care what Lawwell or Celtic think, why would you care what other teams think? This guy has to be harnessed. I agree with TRP in that he should be made to resign or make a public retraction of his remark. Where did the dignified silence get us in the past? Let them keep pushing but I would say that they should be made to feel that pushback is a bitch.
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That's fine, but do you think we should allow this unlicenced fishing to continue unabated or do you think we should pushback in some fashion?
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AAAARRRGGHHIPHFFFT. I was having a pleasant day up to this point.
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It's not about a thicker skin, Amms. They want us to draw a line under the past, but they keep pushing their bullshit. It's time to call him to task, especially as Bearger says 'He's a member of the SFA board and should be representing all clubs, not insulting them.'
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I watched quite a few of Vancouver's games in the MLS. I think Kenny still has the stamina to run all day but is slowing down a bit as the match wears on. Where he stood out was in his ability to make runs through the defence, but in a lot of cases he never got the pass. He was also very good at collecting a forward ball and holding up play. He especially showed his experience in attempting to make an intelligent defence-splitting pass but in a lot of instances he was way ahead of his colleagues who didn't see the possibilities of the pass. A wee bit like Ralphie Brand in his day.
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Has Templeton seen this?
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Powerful piece.
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That is absolutely outstanding.
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I don't suppose these comments come as a surprise to anyone ... http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/9015407/lennon-defends-celtic-fans Lennon defends Celtic fans Last Updated: November 8 2013, 15:27 GMT Neil Lennon was "not surprised" there was trouble in Amsterdam ahead of Celtic's Champions League game against Ajax on Wednesday night given the behaviour of the Dutch club's fans in Glasgow last month. Neil Lennon: Celtic fans are best in the world Eight police officers were injured in the violence in the city centre before the Hoops' 1-0 defeat at the Amsterdam ArenA with 44 people arrested, including 28 Scots. Celtic responded on Thursday to claims from Hoops supporters that they were poorly treated by opening an internal investigation and claimed their supporters were subjected to "a high degree of provocation." UEFA opened an investigation following the Group H fixture between the two clubs at Celtic Park last month after the visiting fans clashed with stewards and police during the game. Ahead of the Scottish Premiership game against Ross County in Dingwall on Saturday, the Parkhead boss said: "I am disappointed but not surprised, looking at what happened at Celtic Park with the Ajax fans in terms of ripping up seats and throwing them at our supporters. "If there are Celtic fans who have been out of order and there are members or season-ticket holders then the club will take appropriate action, obviously. "If the club's reputation has been damaged in any way I am disappointed with that but Celtic fans, I think, are the best in the world." "But I think there is a culture at Ajax. I think Man United fans and Man City fans had problems recently so I don't think it is exclusive to Celtic. "I am not going to point the finger at them (at Celtic fans) because I don't know what the facts are but our fans are exemplary. "I have been here 13 years and everywhere they go, they have been an absolute credit to the club. They make a lot of friends wherever they go. "Again, I don't have the facts in front of me but I would say that if there was a reaction, there was immense provocation in the first place."\ It emerged on Friday that UEFA could take action against Ajax again following the brief display of an offensive banner before the game aimed at Celtic's Irish background. While UEFA told Press Association Sport that there had been no disciplinary issues arising from the delegate's report on the match, a spokesman for Celtic said: "We have already been informed by UEFA's own security officer that he reported this matter together with photographic evidence. "This is in addition to complaints submitted by Celtic supporters who are understandably deeply offended." When the dust eventually settles down following the acrimony in Amsterdam, Celtic, bottom of the group with three points from four games, will host AC Milan later in the month knowing that defeat will end their hopes of reaching the last-16 of the competition for the second successive season. Speaking at the club's Lennoxtown training ground as the Celtic Foundation announced that it has made a donation of £10,000 to Poppy Scotland, Lennon tried to put the Ajax defeat in perspective. "It is still wide open in the group," said the Northern Irishman. "We have to win the next game and put the pressure on the other two teams and see where it takes. We can't look any further than that and it is a big ask. "But where the team has taken us in the last couple of years, we have come away from Ajax disappointed that we did not get anything from the game. "The players have raised the bar, no one else and sometimes you have to temper that expectation. "Sometimes I have to ask: 'Am I asking too much of them?' "But they are talented and still have half a chance of qualifying." Lennon complained about having to play a lunchtime kick-off in the Highlands so soon after returning from Holland. "I am really not happy about the timing of the game," he said. "I have had no time at all to work with the players. We came back from Amsterdam in the early hours of Thursday morning, we are in today but there is no chance of any players who played, doing any training. "Now we have a three-hour bus ride for a lunchtime kick-off. "The timing is ridiculous and then I have players away in international duty for two weeks after that. "I know the SPFL have nothing to do with internationals but I feel sorry for our supporters, some of them who may have been in Amsterdam now having to go to Dingwall on Saturday morning and I feel sorry for the players. "It is an entertainment business and it is going to be very difficult for them to play at their very best. So I may have to look to freshen things up tomorrow." Meanwhile, six Scots are to stand trial in Amsterdam after they were arrested following clashes between fans and police before Wednesday's game. They will remain in custody until November 21, when they will be brought back before a judge. Twenty eight Scots were among 44 people arrested following the clashes on Wednesday which left eight Dutch police officers injured. Dutch police said 22 of the Scots were released with fines of up to 500 euros (£417). One officer was knocked unconscious in the fighting in Dam Square while others suffered broken noses. Police said the majority of those arrested were Celtic supporters. The incident came after clashes during Ajax's trip to Glasgow a fortnight ago, while it was also reported around 50 supporters were in the Old Sailor Cafe in Amsterdam when they were attacked by a group of masked men on Tuesday night. UEFA opened disciplinary proceedings against Ajax last month after the clashes with police and stewards at Parkhead during the initial fixture, which the home side won 2-1. A disciplinary case is to be heard on November 21.
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I agree with you bluebear, I was just being facetious. More out of frustration I think, at the level of deflection displayed by the media.
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Do you mean running a story with quotes like this guy's? ... http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9013617/
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If Keevins said that, we should use that line to bring back TBB.