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Until McCoist told us Green was an okay guy. Effective, eh?
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Rangers Supporters Trust 'suspend spokesman over improper conduct'
barca72 replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
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At the time of purchase? What was it?
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Rangers Supporters Trust 'suspend spokesman over improper conduct'
barca72 replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
The post was not directed at you but to Zappa. You were asked to elucidate on a direct statement you made that IA used an old email account. -
What could you have done about it? Organized a boycott?
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Rangers Supporters Trust 'suspend spokesman over improper conduct'
barca72 replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
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Rangers Supporters Trust 'suspend spokesman over improper conduct'
barca72 replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
Forgot to click the reply with quote butto Zappa. Pure speculation and by association false accusation until proved. After IA left was it not speculated that MM leaked stuff to the media? What is not speculation is that FS made a statement of fact and has not corroborated it yet. -
Of course it stinks, but who among us cared when Chuckie-boy lifted us out of the liquidation mire and gave us life?
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Rangers Supporters Trust 'suspend spokesman over improper conduct'
barca72 replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
That was the point of highlighting the address was that it was highly improbable that IA would create an email address that would point directly to him. It would surely have been a little bit more subtle than that ( if indeed he did use the old unused account ). If the email reached Rangers server then it could be retrieved by several methods other than IA's computer. The point is that RM were more or less cleared and that left a culprit at the Rangers end to worry about. I had let it go until FS made the statement of fact yesterday, and I wanted to know if he knew for sure. We've had enough speculation. Until we know that it was IA then the leak could still be there, dormant. -
Rangers Supporters Trust 'suspend spokesman over improper conduct'
barca72 replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
FS, I don't quite get what you are saying here. A pm is merely an intra-server communication between two users on that server. To communicate that a pm has transpired the server needs to send an email to an address given when the user registered on the forum. That address does not require to have the "IamRangers" username as part of the email address. Both the RM and Rangers administrative staff would know what the complete email address was, but only Rangers staff would know who the user of that address was. The RM site was forced by the innuendo included in the original TRS article to issue a statement denying any complicity. This only leaves the suggestion of a mole at the Rangers end. Are you saying that someone at the Rangers end contravened the DPA by telling the TRS writer that this email address was controlled by Imran Ahmad? Here is your original post #114 back in the original thread on 25 April - Originally Posted by bluebear54 Ahmad wasn't around with us in October 2011. However Whyte was. As were a few others. Maybe all is not what it seems, Holmes. Originally Posted by forlanssister Read my post again carefully. Apologies on re-reading my answer it may appear to be rather curt, that wasn't my intention. What I was meaning was that the clue is the linking of the account to his @rangers.co.uk address. I believe the account may well have been a pre existing one used by Rangers and taken over by Imran who probably reset the email preferences to his own address in order to be notified of any pm's to the account. The original post in April was supposition, however, tonight's post is a statement of fact. Did you acquire substantive evidence that IA did in fact manipulate this email address? -
Rangers Supporters Trust 'suspend spokesman over improper conduct'
barca72 replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
http://www.gersnetonline.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?55420-TRS-Exclusive-Ibrox-Leak/page22 GS, look at post #216 this proves that RM could not see Ahmed's computer but only a Public IP address so they could not break the DPA. CG in his TRS article left that possible impression, but he was wrong. RM was forced to issue a public statement. -
Plan 'S' For Scots Football: More Irish History
barca72 replied to andy steel's topic in Rangers Chat
I was thinking, rather wistfully, of times in the 50's/60's when all you had to worry about was a pie and bovril at half-time, a victory at full time and back to the pub for a pint or two. None of these boardroom shenanigans or politics etc.- 14 replies
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Plan 'S' For Scots Football: More Irish History
barca72 replied to andy steel's topic in Rangers Chat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93glaigh_na_h%C3%89ireann http://newryrepublican.blogspot.ca/2010/11/interview-with-oglaigh-na-heireann.html Andy, I am not advocating anything or trying to defend anyone, just giving you some information which if you don't know about it will disgust you further. These are the guys claiming responsibility for last Friday's bomb blast in Belfast. I believe these are the guys that the GB are now supporting as well as the Provos. These are the guys that the GB would like Scotland to support. I guess these guys, nor the GB, want the Good Friday agreement to work. When you ask the question - "How can I urge Bluenoses to look to the future ... " - maybe they already know the answer. Do you think that Haggerty and Findlay don't know about these guys and have factored them in to their diatribes about Irish culture? When you see the amount of organization and cooperation that has come out of the east end it makes you wonder. The hooligan element of the GB may have forced Lawwell's hand for now because UEFA stepped in, but can Bluenoses believe that the GB will just go away, that ONH will just go away? Do you remember who tried to kill Rangers? Was that a football decision, or was it more complicated than that? What could the possible agenda behind it be? Maybe you're right and that football is just a game, perhaps that's all a Bluenose should be concerned about. There again supicions may still linger, I wonder why. Anyway, what has any of it got to do with Rangers they just want to play football?- 14 replies
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Five arrested after Celtic fan trouble at Motherwell match
barca72 replied to ian1964's topic in General Football Chat
Keevins having a go now ... http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hugh-keevins--its-time-2928879 15 Dec 2013 08:36 Hugh Keevins : It's time for Celtic board to act after Barcelona wake-up call HUGH believes that Kris Commons called it right after his Nou Camp cameo and that Celtic's board need a better reaction to issues on and off the pitch. IT'S a fair old trick to perform when you think about it. Celtic are the only club in the country with any money. They’ve got the biggest ground and the best squad of players. They don’t even have the inconvenience of having to fight tooth and nail with their ancient rivals for everything they get as Rangers have been consigned to the lower orders and are inconsequential for the time being. They should have a support beside themselves with joy. Yet somehow they’ve managed to snatch turmoil from the jaws of triumph. Even the manager who once had the slavish devotion of supporters has now had to put up with the indignity of fans accusing him of not knowing what he’s doing after the battering in Barcelona. That’s the section of the support still allowed inside the ground, not the banished ones serving a precautionary suspension, whatever that is, for their anti-social behaviour. UEFA fines, SPFL investigations, flare throwing, wanton destruction, smoke bombs and banners carrying political messages. If this is how it is when things are good what it would be like if Celtic were skint, trophy-less and living in Rangers’ shadow? So good on Kris Commons for having the courage of his convictions to say exactly what he felt about the sub-standard performance in the Nou Camp. Freedom of expression isn’t exactly welcomed by those in authority at Celtic Park, but if ever anyone was entitled to speak his mind it’s Commons. Whatever affects him in his private life, Kris never lets it have a negative influence on the contribution he makes to the club that pays his wages. He at least earned the right to talk about the “lost souls” round about him who reminded him of a “dying lion” waiting to be put out of its misery in Spain. I’d love to have heard what he had to say in private about not starting, then being brought on when Celtic were five goals down. Recent days have been, or should be, a wake-up call for Celtic, on and off the park. Time for the chief executive and his board to stop wallowing in self congratulation and pay attention. The embarrassment of having to pay another club £10,000 for structural damages caused to their ground could have been avoided by Celtic recognising the disreputable element in their midst a long time ago. Somebody should take a look at the Jock Stein Friendship Cup inside the ground, for instance, and think back. The trophy was played for between Albion Rovers and Celtic starting in 2006. But the idea was forced to be abandoned in 2010 when the Green Brigade started throwing flares inside Cliftonhill’s wooden stand and what we’ll generously refer to as fans had to ejected from the ground. If Celtic had reacted then and recognised they were literally playing with fire they might have spared themselves the bother they have now. But heads were stuck in the sand and the chief executive didn’t even put his name to the statement issued on Monday about 128 supporters being suspended-ish. He called over selected members of the press for a strictly off the record briefing instead in an “I’ll load the gun, you fire the bullets” kind of way. Ballistics to that. In the meantime, if somebody listens to what Commons has had to say after Celtic were exposed as inadequate on the European stage, the board might fund the purchase of players better able to uphold Celtic’s reputation before there are any more sound thrashings. A pre-tax profit of £10million was posted in September. More than £40m has been made from back-to-back appearances in the Champions League and transfer sales over two seasons. It’s the sort of trick only Tommy Cooper could have mishandled. -
Five arrested after Celtic fan trouble at Motherwell match
barca72 replied to ian1964's topic in General Football Chat
Help is on the way for the GB. Maybe Celtic can sue them for reparations for the Motherwell damage once they get their fundraiser money from the pub. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/belfast-pub-owned-agent-celtic-2928793 By Norman Silvester 15 Dec 2013 08:01 Belfast pub owned by the agent of Celtic star Anthony Stokes to stage a fundraising night for the Green Brigade GERRY CARLILE bought The Rock Bar in west Belfast two yerars ago with ex-Celtic player Paddy McCourt. The Green Brigade have been a colourful - but often controversial - presence at Celtic Park for several years Craig Williamson/SNS Group A PUB owned by the agent of Celtic star Anthony Stokes is staging a fundraising night for shamed fans group the Green Brigade. Gerry Carlile bought The Rock Bar two years ago with ex-Celtic player Paddy McCourt. The bar, in Falls Road, west Belfast, will hold the Let The People Sing! gathering in February. Carlile also owns Glasgow’s Light nightclub – formerly called Karbon – and has represented Irish international player Stokes for several years. An online advert does not state what the Green Brigade will do with the cash raised. The group of ultra-style fans were blamed for hooliganism during their team’s 5-0 victory against Motherwell nine days ago. More than 200 seats were damaged at a cost of £10,000 and flares were set off. That prompted Celtic to suspend 128 supporters and police later arrested five fans. On Friday, Celtic were fined £42,000 over a Green Brigade banner comparing IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands to Scots patriot William Wallace. It was displayed at a home Champions League game against AC Milan two weeks ago. UEFA rules prohibit messages of a political nature being displayed in stadiums. Carlile also manages ex-Rangers player Kyle Lafferty and former Celtic player Niall McGinn. He said: “I do not even know about it, to be honest with you, so I will need to look into it and get back to you.” Celtic are trying to disband the Green Brigade by dispersing them from Section 111 at Parkhead to other parts of the ground. Last week, Celtic boss Neil Lennon criticised a “rogue element” of the Green Brigade. In 1994, outlawed loyalist group the Ulster Freedom Fighters fired a rocket launcher at The Rock Bar. Nobody was injured but several customers in the pub were treated for shock. Earlier this year, The Rock Bar was slammed for employing former IRA leader Brendan “Bik” McFarlane as a singer. McFarlane, who now works for the peace process, was jailed in 1975 for a bomb and machine-gun attack on the Bayardo Bar on the loyalist Shankill Road in Belfast. Five people were murdered and another 60 injured in the no-warning IRA blast. A year ago, Celtic disciplined Stokes for attending a party honouring a murdered Real IRA boss in Dublin. -
Five arrested after Celtic fan trouble at Motherwell match
barca72 replied to ian1964's topic in General Football Chat
Naw, db, it's like giving her enough rope. Look what happened to the GB when they were given enough rope. The brightest light will illuminate those dark places. -
Five arrested after Celtic fan trouble at Motherwell match
barca72 replied to ian1964's topic in General Football Chat
Stop your bleating, Lennon. You and yours created the conditions for four years of tainted titles, deal with it. Welcome to our world where someone comes and takes away your best players and leaves you nothing in return. Our young players will meet your young players in a couple of years. Be prepared ... http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/448711/Days-of-big-money-Celtic-buys-are-over Days of big money Celtic buys are over NEIL LENNON took his first step on his way to becoming a Celtic legend when he joined them from Leicester City 13 years ago last week. Published: Sat, December 14, 2013 Neil Lennon has admitted Celtic can't compete financially in the Champions League [PH] But as the Scottish champions emerge battered, bruised and beaten from the fall-out of the 6-1 Champions League drubbing by Barcelona the Parkhead boss has warned Hoops fans not to expect any more similar Neil Lennon deals. Martin O’Neill, then Celtic boss, swooped on his old club to snap up the combative midfielder for £5.75million but sadly Lennon has ruled out a repeat of such transfer dealings. The Parkhead gaffer was dealing in realism not football romance when he pointed out: “If we go to the English Championship now for a player we are talking about a starting figure of £7m. “Take Jay Rodriguez as an example. I went to watch him at Burnley and two weeks later he was gone to Southampton for £7m. It’s very difficult for us to compete at that level.” Lennon also fears that fees rise once it becomes clear Celtic are showing an interest in a player. The Parkhead gaffer has looked twice recently at Huddersfield striker James Vaughan but he groaned: “He’s now being quoted at £6m just because I’ve been to look at him, and that makes it very difficult. “When I joined Celtic we could compete at that level in the transfer market at the time but it’s very difficult now and we certainly can’t compete financially in the Champions League. “It’s not easy for a club the size of Celtic to say this, or even to be in this position but that’s the reality. It’s hard seeing the likes of Norwich and Southampton taking your best players but that’s where we are. “This year we spent £7m so we were the lightweights of the Champions League in the spending stakes, there’s no question about that. “We punched well above our weight in Europe last year. We had a really good team and as manager the dream was to build on what we have. “But we are in the climate where we can’t do that – we have to sell, and that’s just being realistic.” The spine of last season’s successful was dismantled with the transfers of Gary Hooper to Norwich, Victor Wanyama to Southampton and Kelvin Wilson back to Nottingham Forest. The Celtic boss worries about repeating such deals with chief scout John Park in charge of turning bargain buys into diamonds. “I may never find another Wanyama for £800,000 and sell him for £12 million, it’s not a conveyor belt. It’s hard seeing the likes of Norwich and Southampton taking your best players but that’s where we are Neil Lennon, Celtic manager “Parky can’t go and find these nuggets all the time but every now and then we hope to get a player who can be sold on for a lot of money. “ He added a dose of grim realism to his post-match verdict. “It’s not easy for a club the size of Celtic to say this, or even to be in this position but that’s the reality,” said Lennon. “We have to stabilise. We are healthy and well off at the minute but that’s not always going to the chase.” Lennon also worries about clearing the hurdle of the qualifying rounds which faces the Scottish champions every season. He said: “We have to guarantee Champions League every year, and that’s not something I can do.“ Anything can go wrong in the qualifying rounds, we were minutes away from maybe going out this year. “We made it, but’s going to be really fraught again next year come July time.” The Celtic manager also worries about the step up from domestic football to the elite Champions League. “Look at our two recent domestic games, 7-0 against Hearts, 5-0 at Motherwell and then we get beaten 6-1 in the big boys’ playground and that’s the nub of it really,” said Lennon. “We have to try to build a way to bridge the gap between domestic football and the Champions League. “We did it last year, but we’re not going to do it every year, it’s just not feasible.” He promised young players will get their chances as the domestic season progresses and picked out 18-year-old Stuart Findlay as a candidate for a step up. The talented teenager is skipper of Celtic’s Under-20s and Lennon added: “He’s doing well and centre-half is an areas where we’re short. I’m hopeful of giving some time to the younger ones.” -
Five arrested after Celtic fan trouble at Motherwell match
barca72 replied to ian1964's topic in General Football Chat
HT Scum 1-0 Scum2. Dead game. Apart from the main stand, the rest of the stadium has huge swathes of empty seats. A few dotted around section 111. Atmosphere would appear to have lost its thunder !!! No banners visible ( or tricolours for that matter either). -
Life's just a mystery, bud. One thing's for sure though, we all love the Rangers.
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You have the right to believe what you want. I have neither the time, the inclination or the skill to convince you otherwise.
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If you want to know something go directly to the source, assume nothing. Your assumption that "I also feel you are conflating 'removing the religious element' with singing songs glorifying murder gangs." is basically wrong. If you read any of my posts in this thread I have not advocated merging Protestanism with with any other ' ism '. I said that the Global support , such as that poor insignificant amount of diaspora compared to the big clubs' support, require the central Protestant core. That is not the same as embracing any kind of 'ism'. In our club we play songs like 'Still the Blues' and other Rangers' standards, those who attend the NARSA convention will get their 'ism ' jag when they have a listen to, and join in with, The Govan Protestant Boys Flute Band. Those who choose not to enjoin can leave and enjoy other pursuits for the evening. That remark about the Chinese kid was specious. However, I do agree with you that producing world class players will help increase the the small Global support, although you do realise that you and I will never see a Rangers team playing anything close to the standard of Barcelona in our lifetime. You seem to have a real problem with loyalism, and that is your choice and is perfectly legitimate. However, you ask me why I still see it as a virtue and yet I have never advocated loyalism in any of my posts ( assumption again ). It is not for me to preach to the choir. I have agreed with you in a previous post that the world is changing and that anachronisms will probably fall by the wayside by default. If you believe that, then why are you wasting so much energy railing against an 'ism' that will be taken care of by society and the authorities for you? I can be a Rangers supporter, RTID, and not need to be the same guy I was 40/50 years ago. If the truth be known, over that time period you get to look back across the pond and see how parochial the whole situation is. Sometimes the whole thing just saddens you. However, with a foot on each shore the cry will always be 'NO SURRENDER'.
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Boy, you like to spit venom, eh? Anybody that don't fit neatly into your little box is fair game. It's nice to know that I am not part of Rangers' Global support, but instead just an insignificant ex-pat who is a member of NARSA, as are our fellow bears in ORSA. As far as this process you speak of is concerned, did you ever ask yourself ' How many of the "loyal" supporters are P/U/L inclined but are not "knuckledraggers"'? Are you honestly trying to tell us that there is a club with a large support anywhere that does not have a percentage of numpties? Of the 150,000 in Manchester, how many of them were P/U/L inclined. You say that only 200 neds caused the trouble in Manchester, how many of them were of P/U/L inclination? You have no way of answering that do you? You are so angry at these neds for besmirching the good name of Rangers that you have to label them as "knuckledraggers with poisonous baggage". This allows you to fit them into a nice little box. How do you think you are coming across? I have heard a lot of paranoid theories in the last couple of years, but to say that the world sees us as " an orange/unionist/loyalist dinosaur" because of an agenda driven by Celtic, is to me astounding. In my crescent there are ex-pats from eight different nationalities and they have very little respect for Celtic or their supporters because of what they, and their supporters, have been doing in the last few years. Do you think that they can't see and think for themselves as to what is happening? Rangers and its support have made favourable impressions for many years in many areas. It seems to me that the only people who try to score points from the numpties within the support are Celtic-minded critics and unhappy Rangers followers who are also bigots. Do you think that you have the right to tell anyone how to conduct themselves? The club, the authorities and the supporter self-policing will eventually weed out these numpties. Take a step back man, the world shall unfold as it should.
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I don't know, you would have to identify and ask those people who glorify terrorists.