SteveC

Apparently, they were goading Rangers fans and using a Saltire with "yes" on it and a Catalan flag to do so (for reasons perhaps best known to themselves.) As they were in a gangway, the stewards asked them to behave. They - with others joining in - then ganged up on the stewards and were eventually chucked out. *** Please note that all of this is second hand info from someone at the game and a pal of a pal at that. I was watching on RTV and my pal who relayed this info couldn't make it out from where he was sitting.

he was but the wheels seem to have come off recently. I think they've lost the last 5, or certainly not won any of them. he was saying he'd never known a club with so many injuries, so perhaps it is that. I seem to remember him being a big sellick man. I realise that for some this makes no difference.

Can't do - as that would go against the song.

That Sunderland crowd is a nonsense. It includes season ticket holders not in attendance. The point made in that paragraph is a bare faced lie predicated on another bare faced lie. Scottish football "journalism", in other words.

Stuart McCall anyone? I'd have him.............as a player https://www.footballinsider247.com/former-rangers-boss-considered-shock-return-to-ibrox-report/ Stuart McCall has been lined-up for a return to the Rangers hot seat if Derek McInnes cannot be tempted away from Aberdeen. According to The Scotsman, McCall is ‘the back-up option’ if Rangers are unable to agree a deal with the Pittodrie side. This report is "By John Reid". I increasingly find that daily reality seems to be trolling us....

I agree re timing to an extent. There should be no rush. No need for it and dangerous at this time of the year. Not sure re the whole season, though.

He'll not react well when Lennon arrives as manager though

For supporting Germany in the World Wars, the hun v. the tommy. You must know the songlines "And if I had a tommy gun/I 'd shoot every......." (not allowed now)... "just for walking on the Queen' s Highway."

Murty post match. Excellent interview - as always. Danny Wilson:

I've a feeling we got off with one last season? Or was that just another against us?

Even BBC haters were quoted on their text of the game as saying there was nothing wrong with the challenge.

Craig levein just defined sour grapes, the utter ****

Mine too Ditto!

Kevin T: the exception = an ex-player from Scotland who can think: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/kevin-thomson-now-may-not-be-the-time-for-mcinnes-at-rangers-1-4598718 I am sorry it hasn’t worked out for Pedro Caixinha. He invited me for an interview in March when he was looking for a 
No 3. I was with him for two hours and I enjoyed it. He is a gentleman and he spoke well about football. I was disappointed not to get the opportunity to go back to Ibrox but I certainly wasn’t 
bitter. I do not have a bad word to say about him. When he phoned me to say he was going to go with Jonatan Johansson he said I was welcome back any time, he just felt at this time JJ was the right man for the job – I respected that. He had some good ideas. But good ideas at Rangers are only appreciated on the back of winning games of football week in, week out. The club needs to get the next appointment right, that’s for sure. I was more open to the idea of Pedro than many people. As a country we are sometimes a bit sceptical about foreign coaches. I like how they bring different ideas, a different perspective to football. We can sometimes be a bit stuck in our ways. But the results, sadly, have not warranted him staying in a job. I did say at the time of Pedro’s arrvial that the appointment had to be right. That applies even more so now it’s come to appointing his 
successor. Derek McInnes has done a good job at Aberdeen. I am particularly interested in young coaches developing to become good managers because that is the path I’d like to take. But you have to be realistic – the Aberdeen team have had it their own way and have been almost unchallenged in second place in recent years. Would Derek be up for it? Of course he would. Any coach would like to manage Rangers – it is one of the biggest clubs in the world. I just think with some of the coaches out there, and some of the CVs that will be sent in, Rangers need to think big. I know Derek would back himself against any of these names. But it has to be right this time and I am not sure Derek’s the one at the moment. Rangers are not going to win the league this year. No Rangers fan will realistically feel they can. So there is no rush. Graeme Murty was in charge for six games last time and did a sound job. If the right name presents itself then great, get him in. If he not then sit tight and have a good discussion. Rangers also have someone who is held in high regard in Walter Smith. Ask his opinion. Ask what he thinks is needed to help get the club back on track. When you have someone like that, not to use his knowledge is criminal. If they did seek his feedback before appointing Pedro, fair enough. But I saw Walter soon after that appointment and I asked him what he thought – he answered he had not really met him. He had to introduce himself, which I found strange. Unlike some of my former Ibrox team-mates, I don’t think the next manager must be a “Rangers man”. But I think he has to be a winner. Some of the names touted around already, like Ronald Koeman and even Patrick Vieira, clearly have that mentality, even if Koeman has had a difficult spell at Everton. Why not consider these types of names? I’ve always said I’d like to work at the club again in some coaching capacity – I had four great years there. I’d go back at the drop of a hat. But I would want to go back to make a 
difference and not just make up the numbers. The fact people such as 
Charlie Adam have been motivated to send me a message saying I’m highly thought of among the fans and deserve a role at the club is special, and a mark of how hard I’ve worked at my football academy over the last year.

That'll give the Sheep dosh to spend in January, then.

Barry Ferguson's take: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41763757 "has to be someone who know Rangers inside out" and the size and "expectations of the club". I'm sure Pedro knew and knows the size and expectations. As for knowing it inside out - no-one knew it better than Greig. ...though McCoist knew it almost as well. Does he think before he speaks? Actually, can he think? He repeatedly says he's speaking just as a fan (as opposed to what - an applicant?) - and he's talking to the BBC. Some fan. EDIT: And Boyd: ""There's a series of outstanding candidates, Billy Davies, Derek McInnes and Alex McLeish have been mentioned. Without stating the obvious, it has to be someone who knows the club and can get results week in week out." "Must have the club in their DNA) (Again, Kris - like Greig, like Ally? - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11788/11099747/rangers-man-needed-to-replace-pedro-caixinha-kris-boyd-says)

Yet none of the potentially attainable names that are even vaguely interesting have said knowledge. Even de Boer - which would, even if possible, be a huge gamble - probably rememebrs little of his very brief time here and, in any case, the club and the environment it operates in have changed out of all recognition since then.

Only Neils I can think of are Alex and Lennon - and they are both equally septic daft.

Wikipedia have Murty in the seat as of today, albeit temporary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rangers_F.C._managers#Managers It's an interesting page. Three managers 1899-1967 and three in 2017. Stats that scream "CRISES", I fear. Get Bocanegra over with even 10% of his current team's budget. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41726695

I wonder who it'll be getting the boot this time next season, and how much the guy in-between PC and him will have cost to pay off. Perhaps if they are all over their sour grapes by then, they can issue a statement saying the club is impossible to manage because it exists in a country where everyone outside its immediate family hates it and is allowed to demonise, assault and cheat it with impunity. Meanwhile "the greatest team the Scottish nation has ever seen", as they'll be pithily known by then, will be heading ever closer to not only 10-in-a -row but to reaching 55 and beyond. I used to be depressed at ageing, were I in Scotland I'd be getting a bus pass next year, but I'm now depressed at not being old enough. I hear Kent's voice from the end of King Lear: He hates him. That would upon the rack of this tough world. Stretch him out longer.

And I respect yours, Big Jaws and apologise for coming across very much as though I didn't. Truth be told I am trying an old Microsoft trick which once worked for me but is driving me nuts as I try to use it again. Many years back, Microsoft only allowed employees online for one hour in the morning and one in the afternoon. Productivity soared. I tried this myself once when faced with a daunting deadline and it remains to this day the only deadline I've made with lots of time to spare. I usually deliver at the very end of the allotted time. This time I am not only struggling to remain in the allotted hour but also getting ratty at having to (by my own rules) fire off replies too rapidly. I have to check online for work reasons and forcing oneself not to click on recreational matters is proving damn difficult. In fact, I shouldn't be here now because that means I'll not answer any e-mails....or I will and feel guilty Anyway, all of that is to say that I'll not be posting much at all ("hurrah" rings around the ground) for a while, but I'll be keeping an eye on the forum from time to time. Until you next hear from me: "Good luck to the Glasgow Rangers/ and the Gersnet girls and boys."

I agree though I feel the same way re their opponents.

Might be very good points but highly presumptive re what I may be thinking or wanting. And presuming incorrectly at that. I said it was a poor article. I never said I didn't want articles written to defend our club. I do, I very much wish it. I loved something the TRO put out recently. I don't believe that this one did anything to help defend our club because I thought it a very poor article. I don't see why that means I have to be be tarred immediately with the brush of backing "dignified silence" and everything else of which I may be accused. That's just a knee-jerk response typical of online blinkered thinking that if you don't agree with everything on one side of a topic you have to be fully in another camp. I can be, and am, of the opinion that this was a poor article without having to be anything that Big Jaws immediately assumed me to be. TRO is only "doing what it says on the tin" if it does it effectively. Here it did not, while in an earlier article it did. We are all the same: we all only accomplish our roles, jobs and tasks in life when we complete them successfully. We all have good and bad days. For TRO, this was not a good one.

I think we all got that, as it is hardly subtle - it is the whole point of the article. It's still a crap article though and analysing a tabloid journalists's twitter feedback ratio does not seem to me to be a good use of TRO's time and the use of metrics is still used to make a personal point tinged with pettiness. It's not as though we've not got multifarious pressing concerns that it could be addressing instead. PS It would have made a good post here, though.

Thanks for posting, Ian, but I thought this a very poor effort from the TRO.