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If what I've heard is correct, Lovenkrands will sign for Rangers next week. Cammy F

Peter L�¶venkrand�´s contract at Schalke 04 was today released after he was banned to the amateurs. Now he is a free agent. Replacement for Boyd? Cammy F

The biggest fear is that any player sold WON'T be replaced full-stop. This is clearly a cost-cutting excercise, so why would SDM free up any of the money brought in? Cammy F

If the major issue is the wage bill, why isn't the man responsible for contracts, wages, fees etc in the spotlight? Wonder what percentage of pay increase / bonus he'll get this year once he's sold all our players? Cammy F - Murray & Bain GTF Loyal RSC

In truth, its been the state of our great club for approaching a decade. Cammy F

Again........ Cammy F

Yes, it would appear that we are in more financial trouble than any of us imagined. As indicated, the entire first team squad are 'up for sale' and any offer will be discussed and a deal done if the money is correct. I heard someone (who knows more about the financial side than I could ever) say a few weeks ago that we are in more trouble than Woolworths. If that isn't a wake up call to the support, then nothing will be. Cammy F - There May Be Trouble Ahead Loyal RSC

Sanjeev, the person who claimed in print, in the Herald that it was Rangers fans who had racially abused Mark Walters on his Rangers debut at Parkhead - liars from cradle to grave. Cammy F

IMO Velicka and Lafferty were signed due to the fact that Boyd was being touted for a move away. Cammy F

Continued - The Cry Was No Defenders Now this isnââ?¬â?¢t an outburst at the state of our defence, but a plea to those how pertain to uphold the traditions of our club (I know, no tittering at the back) to stand up and defend our club. I know that there isnââ?¬â?¢t anyone employed by SDM that will dare raise his or her head above the parapets to defend us, but after the events of last week, our club should have ripped the media, the catholic church and the police a new arsehole. However, you do get the feeling that secretly SDM is happy with constant and unfounded attacks on us the fans. In fact, Iââ?¬â?¢d go a stage further, I actually think he believes what the media print. This is a prime example of why he needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Seriously, who would have thought that those who hate or very existence would stoop so low as to bring in the hokey cokey to the sectarian debate (well, its not really a debate is it ââ?¬â?? we are dictated to on this matter and have no input). Our club is run by a cowardly parasite who barely tolerates our existence ââ?¬â?? well, apart from when heââ?¬â?¢s taking money off us. He refuses to defend us and I bet heââ?¬â?¢ll happily sit back take our cash and let the press, the police, the media and politicians demonise us for the crime of loving our club, our country, our Queen and the union. All now hang-able offences in Scotland. I am seriously starting to doubt whether I can continue to support this once great club. The club no longer share my ambitions, they no longer share my values, they no longer share my passion, they no longer stand for what I stand for. Season ticket renewal has always been an easy option, maybe, just maybe its time to start taking some hard options. Maybe its time to understand that blind loyalty wonââ?¬â?¢t change anything for the better. Maybe its time to realise that no matter how much money we put into the club isnââ?¬â?¢t going to change SDMââ?¬â?¢s downsizing. Maybe its time to realise that not even a million typed words will change SDMââ?¬â?¢s downsizing, his refusal to defend us and his opinion that 2nd best (at best) is good enough for THE RANGERS. Maybe its time to break my own heart and resign myself to the fact that the current Rangers (regime) isnââ?¬â?¢t worth all the hassle from the Police, from the politicians, from the Catholic Church ââ?¬â?? its never been easy being a Rangers fan, but its getting harder and harder by the day. Cammy F - On The Brink Loyal RSC

Over And Out Seconds after Scott McDonald rifled home the only goal of a frustrating Old Firm game on Saturday, the only sound that drowned out the celebrating Tims was the strains of an overweight lady warbling the last rights on our SPL title challenge. It is gut-wrenching that even before the strains of Auld Lang Syne have faded away, the destination of the SPL title is out of our own hands. I will attempt to keep this part of the article to the dire performance on Saturday but there is so much wrong with our club at the moment that this may not be possible. We actually started the game well, and didnââ?¬â?¢t we all just know that weââ?¬â?¢d live to regret missing so many guilt-edged chances to take the lead? However, we still didnââ?¬â?¢t test Borat enough, he had an easy game and we failed to capitalise on his eccentricity and his ability to self-destruct and lose stupid goals. There was little surprise that Walter Smith had decided to reintroduce Charlie Adam into the fray after Adam being frozen out for 3-4 weeks. We all knew either Adam or McCulloch would be reintroduced. Throughout the entire 90 minutes, all our failings became even more glaringly obvious. We donââ?¬â?¢t have a striker who can take a guilt-edge chance when it matters. We play far too narrow. We canââ?¬â?¢t capitalise on set-pieces. We canââ?¬â?¢t retain possession from a throw-in. Celtc had a corner in the 84th minute, we were trailing 1-0 in a game we couldnââ?¬â?¢t afford to lose and we had every player back defending. Walter Smithââ?¬â?¢s tactics and substitutions reek of a manager who has lost the plot. He pays Ã?£3.5M for a STRIKER and continually plays him left wing when its obvious that the lad CANââ?¬â?¢T play there ââ?¬â?? yet Walter persists and is close to ruining this lad. He then withdraws our right back (who is really a midfielder) and goes 3-3-4. All fine and well until you notice that we have 4 centre forwards on but still no wide players (you know, someone to get in behind the deep lying Celtc defence). So with 4 forwards on and men short down the channels, we decide to throw high balls into the Celtc defence. Their two centre halves could be heard laughing from my seat in the Govan West Corner. They just headed the ball clear, their midfield picked up the lose balls and fed their stickers down the channels. So easy when youââ?¬â?¢re playing a team with no width and no clue on how to get in behind a static back four. The most glaring deficiencies are the fact that we are attempting to win the SPL with players from St Mirren, Hibs, Kilmarnock etc. These players are run of the mill SPL players, nothing better, nothing worse. We have no creativity, we have no fast paced players who can beat an opponent. We have no drive from midfield and we have a creaking 40 year old defender who is now well past his best. I have been hearing and reading some very scary stories recently. Rangers Football Club are in a worse financial position than any of us knows, or cares to imagine. If these stories are true, and I have no basis to doubt them, all of our players are currently up for sale. As well as reducing the wage bill, we MUST recoup money and weââ?¬â?¢ll do this by selling players. This means players like Novo, Boogie, McGregor, Boyd, Mendes et al will be sold if we receive a ââ?¬Ë?decent offerââ?¬â?¢ for them. Inability to sell players like Burke, Adam, McCulloch et al will determine that they will be the ââ?¬Ë?qualityââ?¬â?¢ left to win us this league. We are being downsized dramatically by SDM and we are all happy to sit back with an air of inevitability whilst we witness the demise of this once great club. The ââ?¬Ë?qualityââ?¬â?¢ of player being looked at to ââ?¬Ë?strengthenââ?¬â?¢ our team sends jubbers down the spine of this Rangers supporter. Lee Wilkie, Dean Shiells, Bobo Balde all names that have been mentioned and deals are already being struck. So the fat lady has sung and our challenge for the title appears to be over. Is this overly pessimistic? I donââ?¬â?¢t think so. I can see Celtc dropping points, but unfortunately, I can see us dropping as many, if not more than them. We are unable to win away from home, and have two tricky away games in the SPL (Inverness and Aberdeen) and one in the Scottish Cup. It is fair to say that if we donââ?¬â?¢t win all three of those games, the manager MUST be removed. Personally, I would remove him (and his staff) just now as they have proven that they donââ?¬â?¢t have what it takes to win the SPL title against what is one of the worst Celtc teams in over a decade (and yet they stand on the verge of 4 consecutive SPL titles). Without Fear Or Favour We as Rangers fans have heard the above quote from Doctor Reid regarding sectarianism, and this quote has now been adopted by politicians and Police respectively. However, just like Doctor Death, the politicians and police are very lax in enforcing this quote, and in the Policeââ?¬â?¢s case, enforcing the law. In the lead up to the Old Firm game we had a politician who represents constituents in Bethnal Green and Bow informing all of Scotland that any Rangers fan who claims that Big Jock Knew is a bigot. Thatââ?¬â?¢s right folks, George Galloway believes that if you dare tell the truth regarding Jock Steinââ?¬â?¢s refusal to report a child molester to the Police makes you a bigot. George tells us that Jock Steinââ?¬â?¢s name wonââ?¬â?¢t be tarnished by us bigots. Youââ?¬â?¢re right George, he tarnished his own name he didnââ?¬â?¢t need any help from us. Next up we have an SNP MSP and a Cardinal informing us that the hokey cokey is a sinister song mocking the Catholic Mass. Apparently, we have all known this for over 300 years and participating in the hokey cokey makes you a sinister, anti-catholic bigot. If this sectarian issue wasnââ?¬â?¢t so serious, last weeks revelations would be laughable. Not happy with informing the country that the hokey cokey was sectarian, the Cardinal and MSP informed Strathclyde Police that any Rangers fan caught doing the hokey cokey should be arrested. Strathclyde Policeââ?¬â?¢s response was predictable ââ?¬â?? they informed us that anyone indulging in sectarianism at the OF game would be arrested, without fear or favour. Now, this is where it gets interesting. As well all know, during the OF game on Saturday, the entire Celtic end indulged in sectarian and offensive songs, openly breaking long established laws on sectarianism and singing songs in support of outlawed terrorist groups. So, given that we had heard a spokesman for Strathclyde Police saying that anyone indulging in such behaviour would be arrested without fear or favour. Well I can contest that this isnââ?¬â?¢t the case. From a very personally experience on Saturday, I can inform you that instead of arresting people clearly breaking the law, Strathclyde Police (officer xyz ââ?¬â?? I do have his number and have written a letter of complaint to the Police and Rangers but didnââ?¬â?¢t think it wise to print it here) are now more interested in arresting law-abiding citizens rather than those openly breaking the law. When challenged to tackle the sinister, hate-filled and sectarian songs emanating from the Broomie on Saturday, the Police decided to turn a blind eye (or deaf ear if you wish) to the complaints from Rangers support, as well as the songs being sung. Given that, and the frustration of the Police clearly neglecting their duty to uphold the law, I stated that the Celtic fans participating in songs glorifying terrorist (and therefore the murder of thousands of innocent people) were nothing more than terrorist loving scumbags. Now, I have spent the last two days determining if my outburst was anyway sectarian, racist, offensive or criminal. As yet, there is no evidence to say that my outburst was sectarian, racist, offensive or criminal. However, an officer promptly grabbed me in a violent manner (I still have bruises) and shouted at me in a threatening and aggressive manner. He informed me that if I said terrorist loving scumbags once more that Iââ?¬â?¢d be arrested. He refused to specify why Iââ?¬â?¢d be arrested and refused to confirm why he was happy to ignore the Celtic fans songs. He then informed me that he clearly heard my outburst (he was standing 20 feet behind me) but couldnââ?¬â?¢t hear the Celtic fans and couldnââ?¬â?¢t identify who was singing. Yip, thatââ?¬â?¢s right, he heard me over a 50,000 crowd but couldnââ?¬â?¢t pick our any one of the 7,500 singing IRA songs. I wonder if the same officer was to respond to a burglary and witness the thieves stealing from a house and being chased by the house owner. Would he ignore the burglars and threaten to arrest the home owner who stated that the people stealing from him / here were ââ?¬Ë?thieving scumbagsââ?¬â?¢? So there you have it, a prime example of Strathclyde Police without fear or favour campaign. Iââ?¬â?¢ll let you know if I get any reply from Strathclyde Police or Rangers FC, although I donââ?¬â?¢t hold out much hope.

[ame=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qV_cUys6eaM]YouTube - Rangers FC - amatos goal against celtic[/ame] Cammy F

MSP invovled currently on Real Radio backtracking like fook over this issue - saying that it was The Sunday Times who contacted him and informed him that Rangers fans were going to sing the hokey cokey due to sectarian undertones. Me thinks this wank has finally realised what a fud he has made himself out to be and is backtracking to save face. EDIT - update - Now saying that the quotes attributed to him in The Sun weren't his as he NEVER spoke to anyone at The Sun - Fair play to Ewan Cameron, ripped the guy apart. Found this on another forum - quite funnyt really Below is comment from Richard Littlejohn in today's Daily Mail This week's candidate for a padded cell is rent-a-quote Scottish-Nationalist MSP Michael Matheson who wants the Hokey Cokey classified as a 'hate crime'. He says the popular party song and dance has anti-Papist roots and is therefore sectarian. Matheson wants anyone performing it arrested. All this idiocy will achieve is that at the next Old Firm game, thousands of Rangers fans will be putting their right foot in, their right foot out, in, out, in, out and shaking it all about. Nurse Cammy F

If he reverts to type, he won't reply. I have emailed him twice in the past and he hasn't responded to either of those emails. The first was when George claimed in the media that he had been the vicTIM of a brutal sectarian attack in a local pub whilst watching Celtic in Europe. It then transpired that said pub didn't and had never had a TV - so I asked the bold George how he could have watched a Celtic game in a pub with no TV? The sencond was after his well documented brutal sectarian attack at Glasgow Airport. This attack, at baggage reclaim wasn't caught on CCTV. Strangely, there were no witnesses to either attack nor have there been any opne convicted of these brutal sectarian attacks. Cammy F

Every MP's details are contained here - http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alms.cfm EDIT - Bugger, hit the wrong button, or contact him directly here - georgegallowaydotcom@gmail.com <georgegallowaydotcom@gmail.com> Just hit 'G' - then Galloway, George and send the fooker an email Cammy F

Letter sent to Mr Galloway today - I'll let you know if I get a response. Dear Mr Galloway, I read with interested you comments in todayââ?¬â?¢s edition of The Sun newspaper regarding the so called ââ?¬Ë?Big Jock Knewââ?¬â?¢ campaign and was astonished that you deem anyone linked to this as a ââ?¬Ë?bigotââ?¬â?¢. I implore you to define how anyone asking, stating, shouting, singing or texting Big Jock Knew is a ââ?¬Ë?bigotââ?¬â?¢. The fact that Jock Stein was aware of sex abuse happening under his nose at The Celtic Boys Club is well documented and was recorded during the subsequent court case that (finally) saw James Torbett found guilty for his crimes. Celtic legend Billy McNeill is on record as stating that Torbettââ?¬â?¢s actions were an open secret and that his actions were known at the highest level of the club. I have also attached a report from The Mirror (dated 7th Novemeber 1998) where Boys Club Chief Hugh Birt confirmed that Jock Stein was aware of this abuse. Stein is known to have sacked Torbett but didnââ?¬â?¢t report this abuse to the appropriate authorities stating that he wanted to keep the image of the club ââ?¬Ë?cleanââ?¬â?¢. Also Mr Galloway, why do you, as MP for Bethnal Green, feel obliged to get involved in issues that have no interest for the vast majority of your constituents? Your time, and our tax payers money would be better spent if you were to refrain from stocking the fires of sectarianism with your lies and innuendo and focus your attentions on the needs of those you are supposed to represent. So Mr Galloway, I await a full retraction of your ludicrous and inaccurate claims that Jock Stein was unaware and that anyone who says otherwise is a bigot. Yours truly, Cammy F The Mirror article as above...

Just read that George Galloway is going to raise this issue in the Commons and has implied that anyone who claims that Jock Stein knew about the sex abuse at Celtic Boys Club is a bigot. Well, Mr Galloway, before you go and make a shop-front of yourself (again), and for anyone reading this from The Sun newspaper - why don't you's go and ask Billy McNeill for a quote - Billy will inform you whether Jock knew (or not). Otherwise, may be worth reading the article below : `JOCK STEIN COVERED UP BOYS' CLUB SEX SHAME' Ex-chief tells court Celtic did nothing.(News) Article from: The Mirror (London, England) Article date: November 7, 1998 Author: McILWRAITH, GORDON | Copyright informationCOPYRIGHT 1998 MGN LTD. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group. (Hide copyright information) JOCK Stein and the Celtic board covered up allegations made against Boys' Club founder Jim Torbett, it was claimed yesterday. Torbett, who is now accused of abusing three boys while he was at the club, was literally kicked out of Parkhead by Stein, a court heard. But, when the claims subsequently surfaced, Stein and the directors were anxious to keep the image of the club clean and nothing more was done. The claim was made by former Boys' Club chairman Hugh Birt, 61, who told Glasgow Sheriff Court that, when he first heard the allegations, he didn't have enough ... ---------------- Cammy F

Sun Headline Tomorrow : Sectarian Bigots Target Bains Home Sectarian bigoted Rangers fans targeted the house of Martin Bain and were seen fleeing the scene shouting Big Jock Knew, The Famine Is Over whilst partaking in the hate-filled practice known as 'the hokey cokey'...... Meanwhile, a spokesman for the Catholic Church spokesman claimed that all protestants should be burned at the stake and killed at birth, a campaign that the Scottish Sun is happy to back. MSP Shaun Kill All Prods said that he'd be happy to raise a motion at Hollyrood to ensure that there will soon be no protestants at all. Cammy F

Sounds like it according to this interview in the evening times - http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/display.var.2477420.0.fans_passion_sold_me_on_ibrox_my_dream_is_to_be_old_firm_winner.php Cammy F

So now stating facts that appeared in a court case is deemed bigoted - only in this shity poxy country that we live in..... BTW - Big Jock did know, did nothing about it and deserves all the abuse that goes with covering up child abuse. Cammy F

Hope Boyd doesn't do a 'u-turn' - it is no coincidence that his best all round form for Rangers has come since he stopped playing for his country. Cammy F

See if anyone within our club had any bottle, they'd ensure that the hokey cokey is played before, during and after the game on Saturday. Also, has this whole story given us a new word - preoffended? Cammy F

The Boyd Done Good As many long-term readers of my rants and posts on GersNet will testify, I have never been Boydââ?¬â?¢s number one fan. However, I have always stated that if Boyd could improve on his all-round game, add this to his undoubted goal-scoring talent, then heââ?¬â?¢s be an asset to our team. Saturdayââ?¬â?¢s game against Hibernian was in my opinion one of the best ââ?¬Ë?all-roundââ?¬â?¢ games Boyd has had in a Rangers jersey. He tracked back, he linked up play, his movement was decent and after missing a guilt-edged chance in the opening five minutes, scored a goal that only Boyd could score. It wasnââ?¬â?¢t a typical overhead kick, it was just the art of somehow getting the ball to nestle in the back of the net. Saturday was also saw us witness one of the most one-sided 1-0 victories in a long time. Hibernian came with a plan to frustrate us, get everyone behind the ball and not allow our midfield the time or space to utilise Millers clever runs. Credit to the players, they stuck to the task well, even when those in the stands were displaying signs of impatience and were reduced to cat-calling. Ferguson and Mendes showed further signs of a growing understanding and Mendes had his best game since the 4-2 mauling of the MOPES at Parkhead. His intelligent passing and audacious shooting was a joy to behold and certainly livened up the proceedings. I also thought that Papac and SW had very decent games in the full-back areas. With Hibs sitting deep, both took the opportunity to break forward and help to try to unlock the defence. I was disappointed in Hibsââ?¬â?¢ approach, as on their day, they are one of the better SPL teams and tend to play a very decent level of football. I know they had a few key players out injured, but expected them to put more into the game. It seemed that they had resigned themselves to a defeat even before a ball was kicked. You're Just Our Feeder Club This wee ditty is often sung when we play Hibs as we have over the years, signed various players from the Edinburgh club. In recent history players like Kenny Miller, Ian Murray, Steven Whittaker and Kevin Thomson have made the short journey along the M8 and joined Rangers from Hibernian. Others like Craig Patterson who went on to captain The Rangers and in my opinion, the best two players weââ?¬â?¢ve signed from Hibs are Andy Goram and Colin Stein. Both these players went on to make outstanding contributions to The Rangers and both are rightly remembered with great fondness within our support. However, whilst Colin Stein took no time to settle into the groove at Ibrox netting a total of eight goals in his first three games, whilst Andy Goram leaked uncharacteristic goals in his opening spell between the sticks. Stein with the subject of the first Ã?£100,000 pounds transfer between Scottish Clubs and went on to become a firm favourite and a permanent fixture in the Rangers line-up. His bustling style and fantastic heading ability saw Stein score hugely important goals for Rangers including a strike in the Cup Winners Cup Final in Barcalona and the goal that won the 1975 championship. If I remember correctly, he is also the last player to have scored a hat-trick for Scotland. Colin lives local to me and some may find it surprising that he is now a joiner with a local firm and was a very decent at bowls! Andy Goram recovered after a shaky start and established himself into Rangers folk-lore as one of the finest keepers we have had. The list of astonish saves is endless, but the one to deny Hugedonkey at Ibrox was one of the best saves I have ever seen. Both players have actually attended various dances at our RSC and both were a credit to themselves and Rangers Football Club. Worrying Rumours Following on from Super Allyââ?¬â?¢s thread regarding worrying and shocking rumours - http://www.gersnetonline.net/vb/showthread.php?t=9290 here are a few that I heard (from various sources over the weekend) that are as worrying : We have contacted and opened negotiations with Bobo Baldesââ?¬â?¢s representatives with a view to taking the Celtc stopper once his contract expires at Parkhead. This deal is said to be at an advanced stage and could be completed soon. Balde will see out the remainder of his contract at Celtc and move to Rangers in the summer under freedom of contract. West Brom had a Ã?£5M bid for Kevin Thomson accepted by Rangers and the deal was to be concluded in January. However, after Thomsonââ?¬â?¢s injury and West Brom losing sponsorship (with T-Mobile) this deal has been scrapped. West Brom are actually in some financial difficulty as they have lost and failed to replace T-Mobile as shirt sponsors and have gone public locally asking for local investors to invest in the club. However, I am led to believe that Birmingham City are also keen on Thomson and will test Rangersââ?¬â?¢ resolve with a Ã?£5M bid in the summer. If we get a bid from Birmingham, Thomson will be sold. Our finances appear to be a lot worse than any of us thought. Martin Bain has been tasked to make further reductions to the spiralling wage bill, hence the reason as many as 10 players will leave Ibrox in January. Kirk Broadfootââ?¬â?¢s agent was sent packing from Murray Park with a flee in his ear after inquiring about a pay rise for Broadfoot now he is an international player. It is believed that Kirk is on Ã?£2K per week and his agent asked for ~Ã?£4K and was politely told to ââ?¬Ë?beat itââ?¬â?¢. Wonder if this is why young Kirk was demoted to the bench recently. All of the above is unsubstantiated but heard this from a few people, not just one source. Get Into Them Once the turkey and the roast potatoes (am I still allowed to refer to potatoes in this sensitive Old Firm week ââ?¬â?? donââ?¬â?¢t want to offended anyone especially at this time of year) has been digested, weââ?¬â?¢ll welcome our bitter neighbours to our home for the 2nd Old Firm game of the season. The damning statistics regarding our inconsistent form says that even a Rangers win (our 2nd of the season) will still see us trailing the MOPES by a point. That is as hard to swallow as the turkey ââ?¬â?? potentially 2 Old Firm victories and still behind them in the race for the SPL. These encounters are never ââ?¬Ë?tameââ?¬â?¢, but itââ?¬â?¢s time that we crank this game up a notch or two. They have been allowed to swagger around in this fixture recently and itââ?¬â?¢s time that we reverted back to the days of Jock Wallace and got the battle fever on. Lets barrack them from start to finish, lets get on the backs of the officials, lets drown out their bile with Rangers songs (and the odd verse of the hockey cokey), lets get right fookin into them (in a non-sectarian manner you understand). The Rolly-Polly Goalie should be our prime target. This ââ?¬Ë?manââ?¬â?¢ is unstable ââ?¬â?? lets hound him. The players should also be getting into his ear at every opportunity. We should be shooting on site (praying for squigglers), barging him at cross-balls and generally making his life uncomfortable. He isnââ?¬â?¢t in the best frame of minds, so lets try and capitalize on that. Whilst doing all of the above, lets not get on the backs of our players, they need and deserve our full support. Itââ?¬â?¢s worth remembering that anything other than a victory isnââ?¬â?¢t really good enough for us. I would expect Walter Smith to now stick with the 4-4-2 formation and he could stick with Saturdays starting 11. Donââ?¬â?¢t be fooled by the MOPES claims of injury, suspensions etc, theyââ?¬â?¢ll have their strongest 11 on the pitch on Saturday, make no mistake about that. Please Santa, 3 points for The Rangers. Merry Xmas & A Happy New Year Just like to take this opportunity in wishing all fellow GersNet contributors and all Rangers fans a very merry xmas and a happy new year. Cammy F

If Arsenal hadn't had a man sent off Liverpool would have won this game. The sending off galvinised Arsenal and they played well with 10 men. Draw was a great result for Chelsea and Man Utd Cammy F

In a word - no.... :-) However, MON is doing a fantastic job at Villa and has assembled a great team with some very promising youngsters. They can split the top 4, but Chelsea and Man Utd will have too much for them over the course of the season. Cammy F