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If we broke the rules, we gave all the evidence of it for ten years. Why didn't they do something before? I am of the view that you can't act like people are obeying your rules for years and let them think that, then suddenly decide to backdate any decision on a technicality - where is the sporting integrity? Did Rangers not have the right to know that they were not technically following rules BEFORE they competed for each of ten seasons? To me THAT is cheating. It will have denied Rangers the chance to compete at all. It's generally called, "entrapment". Rangers did not DELIBERATELY break any rules and the rules were so ambiguous that for twelve years neither Rangers nor the SPL nor the SFA knew that any rule breaking was being done - and they STILL don't know. When something is that subtle is it not the FAIR thing to do, to draw a line under it and CHANGE the rules to be more specific and less ambiguous? Then punish for any future breaches? At worst you could give Rangers a suspended sentence that comes into effect if they break the rules in the next five years. We're talking JUSTICE here, and it seems like most of Scotland, despite being the home of the Enlightenment, are clueless on this concept. It's all the more galling when our own people want to queue up to be dispensed this total corruption of basic values.

I disagree. It's more like if you grow a certain species of hedge, it's not considered a proper hedge and so the rules are that you can grow it as high as you like. You do this for years in full view, without any complaint. Then your council changes the rules on this exception and wants to backdate it ten years. You're neighbours then decide they want to punish you in multiple ways and trash your garden in a way that will take years to restore. Then they decide beforehand that you are guilty of cheating in previous garden competitions that you won and decide to convene their own committee to find you guilty in a kangaroo court and then punish you by stripping you of your prizes and restricting how much you can do to rebuild your garden to only planting seeds and nothing more, while planning to punish you more in future as well as taking all the money for any sales of fruit and veg from your allotment...

It doesn't take much intelligence to see that it's obvious you can sing most songs without certain frowned upon words and so not bring disgrace upon your club...

With dinosaur bigots like you, no wonder we're being shafted by the rest of Scottish football. You're a total embarrassment to Rangers and Scotland.

Seems to me if you want to support a div three team like Berwick Rangers then you probably want to pay div three prices. If you want to support a top Scottish team like Rangers then you'll obviously have to pay more. Rangers are not a div three team; it's a temporary situation and if fans pay for a better product than Berwick Rangers then they will likely get it. If they want to pay Berwick type prices then they must want the Berwick standard of football...

The SFL seem to be satisfied that with demotion to div three that natural justice has been done - especially with all the other "punishments" we've had. There are a lot of people in the SPL and SFA who don't seem to understand natural justice and think that administration, 10 point deduction, newco, losing most players, three year ban from Europe and demotion to third division are not actually, "punishments" as they have not been specifically handed out for whatever crimes they think we have done. It's a bit like when there is a sign saying, "Don't touch, very hot" and when someone burns themselves, instead of saying "you deserved that", you first give them a kicking in their burnt bits as punishment for disobeying the sign - never mind that you could possibly kill them.

The SFL seem to be satisfied that with demotion to div three that natural justice has been done - especially with all the other "punishments" we've had. There are a lot of people in the SPL and SFA who don't seem to understand natural justice and think that administration, 10 point deduction, newco, losing most players, three year ban from Europe and demotion to third division are not actually, "punishments" as they have not been specifically handed out for whatever crimes they think we have done. It's a bit like when there is a sign saying, "Don't touch, very hot" and when someone burns themselves, instead of saying "you deserved that", you first give them a kicking in their burnt bits as punishment for disobeying the sign - never mind that you could possibly kill them.

Just thinking - supposing you are a club in another association and Regan is looking for the top job, would you be protesting against him considering he's the kind of guy who could penalise you to death if he thinks you've done something wrong and can't actually explain what? If he gets the sack, I think he could have trouble finding another job - and deservedly so.

Where do you get that from? Until we have hard facts, shouldn't we treat ALL people connected with Rangers with a modicum of respect? For all we know, JB is right on some of the aspects and at worst he's calling it as he sees it - much like EVERYONE on here. Just because you* don't agree with him or think he may be a hindrance doesn't mean you should call him a drunk or stupid. Compared to a lot of people on here, he comes across as far more intelligent and his eloquence is a far higher standard than some of the abysmal and cringe-worthy excuse for written English on here - and he doesn't have the luxury of a built in grammar checker either. If you've done more than Brown in an attempt to achieve a better future for Rangers then maybe you're in a position to criticise, otherwise what gives you the right to judge? It seems that a drunken John Brown is far higher functioning when it comes to organising people than most of his detractors are when they are sober. One thing you'd think we'd have learned is that we know very little of the truth and the whole is so obfuscated that even professional accountants on here struggle to understand what's going on. Not because they are stupid, but because the necessary information is kept secret and veiled with deceptions, mistruths and propaganda. The last thing we should be doing is giving people who purport to be on our side, a severe kicking. Especially if it seems their heart is in the right place. (* by the way - use of you in this post is generic and not aimed at anyone in particular, including stb)

I'm not sure how badly the SPL will do without us in the long run as they only need to compete against each other and so they just need to cut their cloth accordingly. It's only about 10% of their income and wages will come down to match. The repercussions will be that the best Scottish talent will go elsewhere but that happens already. The big problem is probably the current contracts which have to be serviced until they run their course. That is where they could hit cash flow problems and go into administration as that's what they have budgeted for. The only way to avoid this if their income drops is to lay of players and other staff who are not on long contracts and to stop "non-essential" operations like their youth academies - although that could be counter-productive in the long run. If they can sell a player, they will and their may be bargains to be had for Celtic and lower English teams. You would hope that the chairmen of all the clubs would also take a pay cut. Fans, who demanded the situation should be happy to pay an increase in ticket price but I really, really doubt that - they have shown repeatedly that they don't know the meaning of integrity. I can see stadium maintenance put off for a few years and pitch maintenance reduced. Celtic will be hit less and their fans will come out in droves for the first year. However, they'll probably have to lose a fair few squad players and bring it down to a size more like we had last year. Or they could sell just one or two top players to tide them over for a couple of years. They'll hardly need them to win the league and they'll probably be out of Europe by the January transfer window. I think most of them will survive but the league will be a bit grim, gloomy and not very attractive. The juxtaposition when we return will be stark but they will still welcome us through gritted teeth. I hope then, that we fulfil our promise to fill our ground and forget about away days. They'll already be getting a bigger share of the TV money. Instead of people boasting about never missing an away game, the emphasis should be number of away games not gone to. What we'll need instead is some glamorous friendlies to let people put more money into our club instead of others.

While that might be fair enough, it does seem that he gets very organised when he's drunk then... He's more capable when he's drunk than I am. How do you know he was drunk? It could be the way he talks or maybe he felt he needs a wee drink as dutch courage before speaking to an audience - I doubt many of us would highly confident and articulate in his place. If you think he talks rubbish then fair enough, point out what is rubbish and why, but I don' t see the need to slur him about and drinking or being a drunk. It only detracts from your argument. BTW, I take it you don't like a drink? Got to say that I do... and I sometimes spout off rubbish. I don't think that makes me an effing drunk though.

I realise that, but as CEO and representative of the major shareholders, will it not be him who hands over the company to new a owner(s)? He's done all that kind of work so far. I never actually said he owned the club. In my analogy a buyer could be acting on behalf of an investor. He is still doing the buying and selling. From what I gather, they are a consortium with just that exit strategy. Green is bound to be the one who puts the deal together. Don't see where I've got it wrong and it does become clumsy if we have to be extremely specific and verbose all the time.

That's no reason to continually call him a "f***ing drunk". If he cam on here and continually called someone that then I'd have a go at him too. In fact if he came on here I'd have a go at him about the "disloyal" slur.

Proving my point by showing your immaturity: "I will say what i [sic] want"! Grow up. You'll find that when you become an adult, that if you want to get on, you can't just do what you and get let off all the time. Most people used to actually learn that by the time they started school. I'm not your mate and I know who I am. Funny how you think you can call people names with impunity and then get all arsey when your own character is called into question. But I doubt you get irony. I've no idea what you're on about here. Your first point is irrelevant to you libelling people without reason. If you have a beef about Brown then tell it as it is without the slander. I am no supporter of Brown's takeover bid (something your obvious bias and bombastic attitude blinds you to) which seems to me to lack any substance, but I do think continually calling someone a "f***ing drunk" without good reason is well out of order on a public forum. If Brown came on here and kept calling you that, I'd raise objections with him too.

It's got to be said, not many businessmen would want to have to deal with all the issues that Green has and all the uncertainties which provide great risk to the business plan. When he hands over Rangers to a new owner it could be like having bought a run-down old farm building, got proper planning permission and neighbours consent and then demolished it and built and nice new house on the land which passes all the building regs, has all the services, a reasonable council tax banding, and is ready to just move in. You can see where that adds value and how he will make his huge profit - if he can find someone to sell it to. That may not be so easy and we could be the ones ending up footing the bill for his services. I think to make it attractive he'll need to get the club back up to the SPL and competing for the title, with no debts and no sanctions and almost guaranteed Euro qualifiers every year.

I think we're giving the SFA not enough credit for having a process but giving too much credit for expecting them to follow the process in a professional fashion. The problem is not the process, it's that Regan that is delaying things to hold us to ransom so he can personally shaft us and shaft us again.

If tickets are £12 and season tickets £200, Ibrox "should" really be packed and so TV shouldn't matter.

I still don't get how titles should be stripped even if found guilty. What is the actual crime? That we mistakenly, and with good cause, didn't fill a form in properly to do with players wages as we did not consider them contracts? Where is the advantage and where is the cheating? How is it tangibly detrimental to the other clubs? How did it affect the outcomes? Does that mean any titles can be stripped for paperwork that is not 100% perfect? What do we strip from the SFA for breaking their own rules? They tried to apply a sanction that wasn't in their power - that WOULD be detrimental to one club and give other clubs an advantage. That IS basically cheating and yet they want to go ahead with it anyway. Rangers are at most, possibly guilty of an accounting mistake, and yet that is somehow a million times worse... And the SFA had ten years to point it out - it was in the accounts submitted to them. Should Celtic be stripped of the 2008 title due to a mistake on their paperwork about the Japanese tour which actually affected the outcome of the league? Where do we draw the line on the paperwork, which flaws mean you forfeit the title and which don't?

They are actually considering taking titles away on the basis of what is at worst, a financial technicality? And that's IF we're found guilty. I see again no mention of Celtic's dual contract. Are the SFA not responsible for not pointing out this error when they received our accounts where it was all laid bare? Can we sue them for negligence? What a joke Scotland is becoming.

I don't think this could have happened in the SFA of old who, while being way out of touch, at least acted with a bit of decorum and probity.

Why don't you just make a proper point instead of continually sounding like a teenage ned who thinks he can throw insults around like confetti just because he's online? That post is just way out of order - and you blame others for getting you banned...?

I think I get that on FreeSat so that could be good...

It could be if we produce good players and they are quickly moved on with the club getting a fraction of their full worth...

Seems he's in to make money from the youth system. I can see money being syphoned off to his company there. Jobs for the boys and all that.

Yeah, we're being punished for going into administration and liquidation for not paying our bills - possibly with the added spice of continuing to trade while deliberately not paying taxes for one season. The fact that allowed us to fulfil our fixtures is ironic. No other club in the world in a similar situation is receiving as much punishment.