Gonzo79 13,764 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Someone would have to be pretty daft to walk around that area with a Celtc top on on the morning of a Rangers v Celtc match. I am enjoying some of the language here though. Thuggish, toxic, dark elements, aggressively chanting and paramitary style uniform. Spiers has already got his article half-written for him. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, Gonzo79 said: Someone would have to be pretty daft to walk around that area with a Celtc top on on the morning of a Rangers v Celtc match. I am enjoying some of the language here though. Thuggish, toxic, dark elements, aggressively chanting and paramitary style uniform. Spiers has already got his article half-written for him. probably...and unfortunately it will be based on fact - there's pictures & video to back him up. Compare this march to the one several years ago to Hampden - how many folk then had their faces covered??? How many smoke bombs or flares were set off??? What there any imagery to "promote" violent behaviour??? No there wasn't, it atmosphere was peaceful, relaxed and family friendly. How would you react or think if you saw a march like this coming towards you on the street??? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Dynamo 128 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 The March should never have been organised in the manner in which it was with the wording and imagery contained within it. As a Rangers supporter, I do not wish to be associated with that sort of thing. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Rangers as a club and as a group of fans like to put our standards higher than the rest..... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 3,795 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, RabiDuck said: Slightly off topic here, but I don't really listen to the crowd in detail on the tele (England based supporter!), how was the behaviour at this one? Did we manage to stay away from the "bad songs" list. I've not seen much in the way of complaints on BBC so I'm guessing we behaved well? The entire support behaved impeccably. Not so much as a cross word. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 13,764 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Darthter said: probably...and unfortunately it will be based on fact How would you react or think if you saw a march like this coming towards you on the street??? It came towards me as I stood on the road from Mafeking Street to the club shop. Seemed like a bunch of youngsters having a good time. If it was GB or another Ultras group, I'd just avoid it. These things happen all over Europe and no one bats an eyelid. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,829 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Darthter said: probably...and unfortunately it will be based on fact - there's pictures & video to back him up. Compare this march to the one several years ago to Hampden - how many folk then had their faces covered??? How many smoke bombs or flares were set off??? What there any imagery to "promote" violent behaviour??? No there wasn't, it atmosphere was peaceful, relaxed and family friendly. How would you react or think if you saw a march like this coming towards you on the street??? These guys don’t give a toss about the club. Ffs they don’t even watch the games at Ibrox. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnMc 2,488 Posted March 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2018 As a guy at the wrong end of my forties I'm aware that criticising the behaviour of younger guys at the football is in danger of making me sound like a letter writer to the Daily Mail. Truth is I'm not sure I fully 'get' Ultra culture. I 'get' singing at the matches, all match long if possible, I think all of us go through that phase in our teens. When I was younger if you wanted a sing-song you went to the East Enclosure or the Copland Road, and if you didn't you went to the Govan or the Main Stand, it was easier to choose 'what kind' of supporter you wanted to be back then. Back then, the 80s, there was violence at matches, some of it organised and some of it spontaneous, and for some guys that was as important a part of the match experience for them as buying a programme or having a pint after the game is to others. I was at school with guys who were 'ICF' and a few who were Thistle casuals too. You know those guys went to every match, home and away, and from time to time I bump into them again and some still do, but they don't meet in train stations and get into fights anymore. They grew up, they got married, they had kids, they used up all the extra testosterone that flowed through us when we were 17. Thing is other supporters would get angry with them. Often with justification. They looked for trouble and sometimes people minding their own business got caught up in it, they got us a bad press, the club helped the police try and single the ring leaders out. So are these guys the current day equivalent? Young guys with too much time, energy and testosterone? Before the casuals in the 80s there were gangs of skinheads, before that guys with Union Jacks draped over their backs, long hair and flairs, I'm sure their were Mods or Rockers or whatever before that. Bloody hell, The Billy boys were a razor gang who sang at the football to let everyone know they'd crossed the city from Bridgeton to Govan. So I don't want to get too pious when I criticise these 'Ultras'. The flyer was stupid, the banner is asking for trouble and the balaclavas invite people to misconstrue who they are and what they're about. Young men do stupid things when they are young. I suspect a number of these guys might be a bit embarrassed in 15 years time when they look back at this. In the end the club can't be seen to condone the flyer or the banner. I don't condone it, it's a stupid use of language and a disturbing use of imagery. But it's not aimed at me, I'm old, and responsible and have zero interest in trouble or, frankly, even singing these days. I think these guys are fans, real fans, I think they are misguided in some of what they do and deserve criticised for it, but I think we also need to be careful we don't give this more significance than it deserves. It's the 'young team' at the football, same as it always was, indeed considerably smaller than it was in my day. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,242 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I was with you ‘til near the end but how much are they there for the football and how much for the look-at-us special clothing and anti-celtic signalling? As is often said about the assumed followers of another club do they hate the other side more than they love their own? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuGers 477 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Darthter said: I've watched a couple of videos from the march, and have to say I find it completely embarrassing. Do folk honestly think that this is acceptable behaviour??? If this happened on any other day (outwith a football context), folk would (rightly) be up in arms, and it would have been shut down by the police. But since it's football/Rangers related, it is suddenly ok (in many folks eyes) for a LARGE group, many masked or hiding their faces, letting off smoke bombs and flares, presenting a banner which could incite hatred/riot, to march down the street, singing banned songs. How does this kind of behaviour show support for the football team??? All it does is supports & encourages the darker elements associated with the club ie. sectarianism - something that the Club itself has been working to eradicate. IMHO, the Club should be doing everything it can to distance itself from these actions. Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I find it absolutely staggering that there has been this reaction to it, and a lot coming from Rangers fans. Why is there such a massive uproar about it? The Groin Brigade do it all the time. There was a pub of Rangers fans with women and children physically attacked and it’s hardly been mentioned by the newspapers or MPs. There were Rangers fans attacked after the match whilst they were walking home. Yet the outcry is about fans with a logo of someone being kicked. So what is worse? A logo depicting violence or actual violence on women and children? By the mass response, it seems that the answer is the logo, but that is just because it depicts a Celtic fan as the victim. Again, think the march was stupid, but the hypocrisy of the outcry as if this is the first time in history that this has happened is ridiculous when you compare it to the actual violence that the Rangers fans have been subject to. It really does show you the awful political landscape that we reside in where actual violence against us is not newsworthy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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