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I'm sure they will be but it doesn't mean that more questions shouldn't be asked of the BKs as well, and hopefully some answers will be forthcoming from all bidders.

So why are the BKs' partners saying that they have to include Ticketus as otherwise they could tie us up in knots for years and could stop the CVA?

The club wasn't any better when Findlay was a director first time around, and as I've said on here before, i wasn't impressed by his feeble defence oof the "Why don't you go home" chant. It's great that he is helping out the various fans' groups but I can't see how he would be a great asset if he was to return. There's no chance of him returning anyway. He would not want the press exposure and the press attention going back to his singing.

Agreed. I've had dealings with Singapore over a long period of time and found them by far the best to deal with in that region.

It was £18m upfront and £3m pa for 10 years.

I'd rather have the operation that maximises the income for the club. I'm surprised that a risk free £3m a year is being ripped up when there is no infrastructure to replace it.

1. If Ticketus were contacting Rangers, would it really be Muir that they would have spoken to? Would Muir really be the main contact of Ticketus in the club? Is it not far more likely that they would have spoken to Bain or McIntyre, if they were to speak to anyone? 2. When Whyte approached Ticketus with what was a confidential business deal, are Ticketus really going to break that confidence and give out the details to someone else? 3. If you were Muir and you did know that Whyte had financed the deal with Ticketus cash and had no intention of putting in any of his own cash, would you really want to be seen in directors boxes with whyte subsequently, or would you try and stay as far away from him as possible? I'm no fan of Muir but there needs to be better evidence than this before you can start tying him in with Whyte.

Why do they need to invalidate his security? if he is not owed anything then it's of no use to Whyte?

I don't saee the point. It seems that SaveRangers is tied into the BKs bid for the club and until their plans are further clarified then further pledges are meaningless. The website has achieved its aim by focusing fans on what may be required post-Whyte and to get the fans organisations a seat at the BK's table.

I am still hopeful that the BKs can be an attractive proposition for the club. I think that PM is sound from a business perspective and the principle of supporter involvement is to be applauded if it can be done properly. I don't buy into the criticisms of why PM has not brought an answer to the table before. There are lots of reasonable explanations for this and situations change, as does the exposure to the big tax case. However there are some presentational issues. PM did not do himself any favours with his inability to explain why his late takeover bid against Whte was the most beneficial to the club, and had again failed so far to satisfactorily explain why Ticketus are being dealt with as partners and not as a creditor to get rid of during a CVA. PR seems to be a bit of an issue. My major concern is the involvement of Ticketus. I do not want them involved with our club and if they are a creditor then let's just treat them as one. I don't believe that they would hold up a CVA if it came down to a choice of a CVA or liquidation. As for Mark Dingwall, many have got a strong opinion, either for or against, but I'd urge everyone not to let their views of him cloud an objective assessment as to whether the BK proposal is good for the club. Using emotive terms about him is not going to help. However I would agree with Bears that some of Mark's comments have been insulting. The fact that we have not bought into the Ticketus vision is because all the issues have been failed to be properly explained to us and not because we fail to see the "big picture". I actually don't think that it should be Mark that is left to try and explain everything. PM should be coming out and addressing everyone's concerns now and not allowing it to fall to someone who has a reasonable knowledge of the situation but is not a financial expert. The delay in PM coming out has resulted in lines being drawn with people adopting a pro- and anti-RST attitude when the bid should not be about this. I would call on Paul Murray to come out as soon as possible and address the fans' concerns. The club needs leadership and your bid need a leader to step forward now. Excuses that you are not ready are not acceptable given the revelations on Friday and the subsequent discussions on forums. Opinions are being formed and you are not influencing them. Time to step up to the plate. Now.

I believe it's the only one that they are aware of that would discuss fan ownership with them.

That's just one of many Ticketus companies, which are owned by Octopus Finance, which is a fairly big investment company.

The pro-BK propaganda is being cranked up and Leggat doesn't realise he's not helping them.

coz the club owed the bank money but it doesn't owe Whyte anything.

I believe so, mate. I'm not sure if the story ever was fully explained publicly but my understanding is that it is not what you said.

Horse, I have edited your post (and the subsequent reply) as you made an allegation about MD that I believe to be inaccurate.

I think it's an unfounded rumour started on RTC that's best ignored at this point.

It was at the same time that Ally got told that Jelavic would be sold and he would have no money to spend. Ally probably does deserve criticism on the footballing side, but there's a lot more to our club than that and he has led us through troubling times and I'm certainly prepared to cut him some slack.

Is SaveRangers about investing with any interested party or only the BK/Ticketus consortium?

Let's remember that Ticketus were the company that when buying our future season tickets did not see fit to pay the money to the club but paid it to another company. Is that really the company that we want as our owners?

Again, all I can say is "thanks guys".

You have stood up when it counted. You have done your bit to try and save our wonderful club and save the jobs of others. You have played your part in the Rangers story, and you will never be forgotten. Places in the Hall of fame should await you all. "If you had it, would you give it?" is a question that is oft asked. You have shown your answer to that. I will be forever grateful and what I would like to say to each one of you, with tears in my eyes, is "Thank you" :lm::sp::sn::sd: :kl::sw::me::dg: :sa::dh::kb::ab: :na::jn::rm::al::rp: :hemmings::sk: and everyone else involved.

I don't want Ticketus to have anything to do with us. I can't believe that they were not complicit in the whole Whyte takeover and would only be interested in us for purely financial short term views.

It's the same rag that revealed the Ticketus story which led to the truth about Whyte coming out. They called Whyte a billionaire because that's what whyte's PR guys decribed him as. I'm no lover of the Record but they have been on the ball recently and have done a lot of good about revealing what Whyte is.

I can't see why there should be an issue, although I'm not an expert. If the fund is designated to be a contribution towards overheads, then why should there be a problem?