maineflyer
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But Alex, how knee jerk can it be after 20 years?
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The Rangers Supporters Trust - remember them? Weeks of blatant lies and deflection as one board member after another slunk into the sunset without the gall to speak the truth. Followed by the contrived appointment of a new half-Board one Sunday morning, much talk of militancy and action (I have it in writing) until Murray told them in no uncertain terms what they could or could not do if they wanted to continue smelling his glove. And now after much further waiting, the New RST appears intent on being as silent and clueless as the last bunch of posers. Who in their right mind would waste a tenner of their money on the pointless RST? Is this the greatest lost opportunity in the world of Rangers?
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Saturday was ill conceived and achieved little by all accounts. Or at least there has been quite a concerted attempt on all fronts to say that it achieved little. I'd love to know who organised it. But ......... protest keeps the muppets on their toes and cannot be seen as a bad thing. Even the threat of it seems to have got us a midfield after years without one.
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So...... say nothing and do nothing. Take what you get. Have no independent opinion. Make no waves. Sit down, shut up, don't sing unless it's in the blue book, buy the burgers, and for God's sake don't complain or he might sell to a big nasty Russian bloke. Yup, that's the spirit that's served us so well these last few years. Nodding dogs and performing seals have got us where we are today. Where's that again - ?
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Ha ha, thought it was reasonably observational but fair enough and point duly taken.
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Yup, and the result today in Dundee made me laugh too.
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I realised that and I wasn't being serious. Serious is my day job. This is just fun.
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What name calling was that?
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Ok, let's play that game. You ask a question that you think is so insightful that not even the mental giants from the University of Cleverville could cope with. Being far less able myself, I struggle to compose an adequate response and then give up in despair, hoping against hope that you haven't noticed my embarrassed silence. Then you play your joker, grinding me into the dust by pointing out to the whole world that I deliberately failed to respond and must therefore be stoned to death. Game set and match to you and cue admiring posts from all quarters. Well done! Phew, I enjoyed that. We really must do it more often. In the meantime I'll just say that I thought the answer was so obvious that you must have intentionally slipped into irony. You asked "There are worse people than Murray out there. What are the plans to ensure that we don't end up with one of them?". Did you really believe that it was Maineflyer's responsibility to ensure Murray chose the best buyer for his shares? I tend to think that you need to direct your concerns to Dodgy Dave, since he alone is able to decide who he sells to. Not me, not you, probably not even the cute little guy who weeds his vine garden. As for the reported personal insults, have you lost control of your underwear? I tend not to hand out insults but when I do there is seldom any ambiguity. Please point out exactly what insults you think have come your way - I'm genuinely intrigued why I'm not aware of them and I'd hate to think I'm enjoying myself without noticing. I'm also fairly concerned you should think you could attract my personal attention when that is as unlikely as an extremely unlikely thing.
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Did I read the OP's link - no - should I have? The exact quote I posted came from an unattributed TeamTalk article on my Yahoo homepage. I read it, I posted it. And your point is?
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Saw the following on Teamtalk. I can only assume the Great leader was negotiating in front of a large mirror in an empty room. Seldom read such contrived claptrap, who believes the journalist wrote this himself.......... Rangers chairman Sir David Murray has revealed that he came within hours of selling the SPL club last year before suddenly changing his mind.Businessman Murray, 56, said he pulled out of the deal at the last minute because of doubts over the buyers' plans for the team. Two months of secret negotiations came to an end at a London hotel when the chairman changed his mind about the sale. He told Scotland on Sunday: "Everything was pretty much agreed and then I said, 'Look gentlemen, before we do this, can you tell me how you're going to run this club?' "I'm sitting there with all the legal documents in front of me and they outline their plans. "'We'll carve this up, and we'll sell that off', and after a while I said 'Enough, we're not doing the deal.' "We got up and walked out. We took our papers and went out of the door. It wasn't for Rangers." Mr Murray bought Rangers in 1988 and has invested millions in the club. The founder of the Murray Group, whose activities include property and leisure, saw the team win nine league championships in a row between 1989 and 1997. There has been speculation as far back as 2006 that Murray was looking to exit the club. A 2-0 victory against Hearts on Saturday gave a positive end to a difficult week for Rangers in the wake of Carlos Cuellar's departure to Aston Villa. The club are still reeling from their exit from Europe, following their defeat in Champions League qualifying against Lithuanian side FB Kaunas.
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Rangers 2 : 0 Hearts - Player Ratings and MoM Poll
maineflyer replied to Frankie's topic in Rangers Chat
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I think yesterday's "event" outside Ibrox showed everyone that RSTFF won't be the source of any worthwhile protest and will remain as ineffective as ever. Wonder what MD was doing yesterday to further the cause of his much vaunted new militancy? EDITED BY Frankie
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I see two points of particular interest. The first is that after months of silence, the Great Leader is only persuaded to speak to us because he is the subject of personal criticism. By contrast, discontent with the performance of the club was met with silence. This makes the next few weeks even more interesting. The second observation is that the more Murray talks the more he lies. The disrespect this man has for the ordinary supporter is staggering.
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Can you blame lack of Sky TV money for the failure to compete with celtic? Who carries the can for that?
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Being no worse than something that is clearly unacceptable does little to lend credibility to our own.
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It's a soering question and something to be explored. However, our official site is beyond the pale in its fawning falseness.
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I think you're far from naive and you have a fair idea the effect that a sustained public and personal attack will have on our chairman. He will fight back with all his resources behind him because, in the best tradition of egotists everywhere, he just doesn't do criticism. I think the problem for Murray lies in the fact that this protest isn't going to go away this time and there are only so many times he can engage this enemy without appearing to look silly. Beyond that the pressure will grow and grow until something will break. The role of the pressure group since the dawn of time.
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I don't deny Murray his perspective. He possibly does believe he is the best judge of who should own Rangers after he sells. I just wonder why he has been sayng this for at least a couple of years but hasn't been able to tell us what it is he's looking for. Like many thing this man has done, I believe he repels boarders first and then trys to concoct a story to justify his intuitive actoins and statements. And that is one reason I believe he is the last man to trust with the selection of a new owner - the fact that he is the only one who can possibly do so is depressing beyond measure.
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Well I wouldn't argue with a single word you say here. I especially agree that the playing side is only part of the problem and the structural weakness of the club is almost desperate. Guardian, some guardian.
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That's correct - but why the need to disguise his intentions with this pretence about being constrained by the club's interests. As if no one out there could be trusted with the club except the one guy I wouldn't trust with my own wallet. I believe the reality is that Rangers are so enmeshed in Murray's business empire that he actually cannot disengage it without considerable pain to himself. And you already know what I think about his recent nonsense about the �£100m that this "hobby" has apparently cost him.
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We saw clearly enough in Murray's snapping petulance yesterday all that's needed to explain why Rangers is no longer interested in honest debate with its supporters. Elitism pervades our club, which is why so many feel excluded and ignored - why fans can be treated like dirt at Ibrox and the club cannot see what the problem is. It's why the views of ordinary fans can never be entertained. It's why Sandy Jardine felt he could lie like a skunk about the Bobby Shearer tribute and then ignore the outrage when he got caught. It's why Rock Steady get away with overt victimisation of Rangers fans without anything ever being said. This club is sick from top to bottom. It goes a lot deeper than the playing staff. The people still trying to protect the Murray regime really need to get their eyes open and see what's happening - because the club isn't going to do it for them.
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No one here can choose who Murray sells to. Only Murray can do that but at the moment he's disguising his unwillingness to sell with some never-to-be-defined bullshit about needing to ensure the buyer is "right for Rangers". So if the next owner is no better you will only have Murray to blame. It's exclusively his choice and you do trust him, don't you. Reclaim Rangers will simply encourage the Great Leader to exercise his benevolent judgement for the benefit of us all..
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The answer is that you are so afraid of disaster that you're prepared to settle for long term mediocrity, which is what we all know we have now. You ask questions that only a prospective buyer could or should answer and then use the lack of response as a sign of waekness in the arguement for change. Nice trick but no cigar.
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That's just not true. I can't speak for you but my eye has never been off the ball, not for a minute. But someone most definitely has had his eye off that ball and it doesn't take a genius to figure out who. Perhaps eye off the ball is a euphemism for failure but I think it's better to face the facts than confuse the issues. And if someone was in charge when we won 11 out of 12 titles but that proud record then fell to 2 last gasp titles out of 8, I just might discern a pattern crying out to be recognised. Maybe you think it's just bad luck and things will turn again - but somehow I don't think you do. Because you know as I do the the building blocks of NIAR were in place before Murray arrived at this club. And when years of neglect finally saw that team run completely out of steam in the latter years, the Great Leader only had two answers. One was bonkers spending and the other has failed completely to compete with celtic, which is the ball my eye is on.