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No worries I would say sweet dreams , but more like horrible never ending nightmare

We really are at the end game , the fat lady is about to start singing and even if we win the league we dont earn enough to stop making a loss , I cannot agree any more with your points above , no vision , no stratedgy , no future

ok I accept that your choice of glamour games is the c/l , o problem with that , however what exactly is the point in even bothering if we cannot compete and even worse cannot even do the basics , why even attempt to compete . Its only a glamour tie in my mind if we are at a level that we have a good chance of achieving something and the only time that that has happened was under Advocatt IMHO sorry but the rest of the time we were just bailing the club out of trouble , something we have been doing all decade

sorry mate whilst I admire your dedication , you must see that we have a board of directors that dont give a flying fuck about you , and exactly what glamour games are you talking about , in over 30 years we have had maybe 3 good european runs , we have been to some really big teams just to make the numbers up whilst getting royally humped regularily by teams like tonights , whom I may add won their first ever european tie , get real !!!!!!

I actually felt like my heart had been ripped out of my body , and the worst thing was all the anger and frustration that I used t feel when I was younger just wasn't there any more , it was more a realisation that this is what we have become , watching a team that is badly managed from top to bottom , with no vision , no real sense of being or of purpose , I mean really what is the point on Rangers Football Club as we stand just now , we really are treading in a sea of quicksand and we are going in one direction only

Wattie has continually talked about building a team around his best striker yet doesn't play him , we have one proper center half supplemented with a 39 year old , we continually play players out of position wide right and wide left whilst youth is a waste of time , if I was John Flecks advisors I would be looking for any way out asap as its only a matter of time till we waste him

But you miss the point, we lack the very basics , that every other small team from all over europe have in abundance , the ability to pass and move , to control the ball and move your opponents about to create chances . Firstly we dont even play to our own teams strength's , we continually play players out of position and whilst unfit , we have no belief in youth and never have , the basic tactical ideas that we watch every week even from smaller scottish teams is something that bypasses us , we have no creative spark from set plays and even throwins cause us problems , their first goal came from our throw in that we lost control of .

Why the hell do we continually have to have legends drumming into players what it means to play for Rangers , I would settle for simply getting good players and teaching them good drills to improve on the tacticts that the team attempts to play . Instead we keep going back to this drivel about our club being special when it is plain to see we are not , for fuck's sake we have just been humiliated by a team from a city with a population of 17000 , this was their first ever win in europe, we were absolutely useless , the basics have been missing all season , we beat celtic woohoo , europe must be trembling. Quick get into another league and throw money at the team , never mind addressing the problem

very very well put , we need to remember we are meant to be a football club first and all the other stuff isn't really important in the bigger picture as far as I am concerned

I am utterly ashamed to say this , but for the first time ever in over 30 years I left early , we were utterly useless , no shape , no desire , no tactical ability . The basic's of passing and movement , the ability to recieve and give a pass whilst aware of what is happening around them is totally alien to this bunch of players . Yes we may be able to do it for small spells of certain games but we lack the basics and that is where we fall short in the training department . Walter may be and probably is a legend but he is also a dinasour , his belief that , and I quote " tactics are overrated , modern players just need a good enviroment to play in " , utter pish , but that's his beliefs , he is the man who has spent over �£20 million on this team

As someone who was a seaso ticket holder from 84 till 2007 , yes and unfortunately I cannot see it getting any better .Partly our fault poor scouting , no vision and preparation when we were well on top , and partly the league we are in . However no matter what league we are in there is no excuse for the way we play the majority of times , from set play's to general movement at times we seem a million miles off , must be the management and that is no cheap dig I mean that

cant find that thread , when was it posted , approx

Have to say I totally agree with your comments , I always believed the RSA were set up to diminish any form of strength that the RST was gathering, Murray aint stupid

Is this instead of the club paying or part paying for the running of the RSA , to be honest I think we might end up with too many supporters groups and I done really know what the RSA actually stand for .

Definetly I actually sent this idea to the trust a couple of years ago , but they were in the midst of really bad rerlations with the club so I dont know if it was ever proposed . I also thought about every season ticket holder being offered the chance to join the trust through the same means as you proposed , it just takes a bit of imagination on the clubs part

Was there any news on when the AGM will be held

And that is just why I am convinced he might just do a right good job for us , listen today was a prime opportunity to do a Murray and spout any old rubbish and make promises and statements that he couldn't keep , then bugger off back to the states only to wait till next year to repeat the same old stuff , classic Murray tactics. What he did today was be very measured , very composed and actually very sensible in what he said , he does seem to have ideas "outside the box" which is something that we have all been screaming for from our board , a bit of creativity . Instead of the same old Murray rubbish this guy actually seems to have taken the time to look and think about where we are going wrong , dont write him off just yet.

More positive and dare i say it impressive comments with regards to the future than Murray ever came away with . Where Murray was all sound bites i believe this guy actually has an idea of where he wants us to be , very very impressed

Are the club going for a record or are we all hoping Santa brings the accounts for xmas , just what is the latest the Agm has ever been held , as this is getting ridiculous

Bad 25 minutes but after that very professional performance and really in the second half we could and possibly should have won it . Considering that we have lost one of our best defender's and that one of our main midfielders has only played 26 minutes of combatitive football this was an excellent result . Whittaker was excellent , Naismith was excellent Rothen was better than I ever imagined considering he was on the right wing all night .McCulloch I dof my cap as a stand in center half brilliant very composed , big Madjid get in there my son , mcGregor not a save to make second half , get the beers out very happy bear:spl::spl:r

:fish::fish:why dont the pair of you just get a room !!!!!

yes stay or yes go now that is the question !!!!!!!

ahhhh can see where your coming from , they have changed the layout so always click the goals tab , it's really quick as well especially on european nights

sorry didn't realise I needed to post instructions , try clicking the goals tab and scroll down

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