The Real PapaBear

spotted a wee typo there, 54&C, should be '666'

GA? 20k for a fourth tier football game is embarrassing? 10 times larger than anything in England? Embarrassing, really? We are going through the worst run of results, during the worst period in our history with the worst team we've ever had and we can still pull in a bigger average crowd than anyone in Scotland apart from thhem and a bigger 4th tier crowd than anyone ever has in world football. The football may be embarrassing; the team and the tactics may be embarrassing - but the 20,000+ ? nah, mate, these are 20,000 reasons to be proud.

This is NOT how we should be doing things at Rangers. Sandaza said nothing particularly controversial or damaging to the club. He was offered an increase in salary and the chance to live in the US instead of playing 3rd division football in Scotland. He bit. So what? His problem is not that he's disloyal, it's that he seems to be quite a stupid person. The worst thing about it is that Desperate Tommy, the mentally ill, slimeball Tim, will be the toast of all his sleekit pals for years to come.

well, it depends how I look at them. If I wear my glasses from Specsavers, in the top picture I see a well behaved, orderly and respectful protest march being held by men, women and children of all ages to protest the unjust and illegal treatment being meted out to their football club. In the bottom picture I see the police being forced to prevent a group of masked and hooded thugs from causing public order offenses and embarking on an illegal march, whose sole purpose was to provoke the police. But, with my Super Special Scottish Media glasses on, in the top picture I see a vicious gang of neo-fascist, sectarian, thugs rampaging through a Glasgow park. In the bottom picture I see the victimisation, harassment and brutality being inflicted upon a bunch of morally righteous young lads, who never cause any trouble and whose every waking hour is devoted to the betterment of mankind.

read that earlier - brilliant. It articulates very well the hypocrisy of the accepted narrative that we have allowed to be used against us.

losing to England was always gutting - especially in the play-offs for Euro whatever it was - but Gazza's goal against us in 96 was the perfect 'bitter/sweet' moment. Yes we were getting beaten (again), but what a goal to get beaten by! and, more, it was scored by a Rangers player. I honestly didn't know whether to weep or cheer.

if you look at all the best youth development programmes, they all have one thing in common; they train these kids to be better people first and the football comes after that.

I see no connection between the muppets running the game and the national team. I am Scottish. Scotland is my team; it's not something I have a choice about and I'm certainly never going to allow bigoted fuckwits from other clubs to drive me away from supporting us.

Searched high and low for this story of anti-Rangers sectarianism and bigotry in the Rhecord or Hherald or BhBC - not a peep. Odd, that.

nah, fuck that amms, too late. I've had a word with kuznetsov and we know where you live now. We're coming round wi' pitchforks and burning torches - you're toast mate.

* Fostering an atmosphere of victimhood and discrimination, when they are the instigators of the trouble and disorder * Portraying their mhobs as being the innocent parties at the hands of Establishment harassment, despite them deliberately and provocatively breaking the law * Describing a working relationship with the body entrusted with public order and safety as "collusion", with all the echos of republican para-militarism that connotates. Nope, that level of delusional, bombastic, hypocrisy could only be from Celtic.

mibbe aye, mibbe naw - the fact is if they wanted to highlight their latest grievance in the form of a march they should have gone about it in the normal, civic, legal way rather than announcing that it would take place at the drop of a hat and at a time and place of their own choosing. If everybody with a grudge was allowed to march on the public highways whenever the mood struck, you could end up with serious civil disorder. To which I would counter, there are no constitutional issues at stake at all, since the decision to grant or prohibit a march is made by democratically elected representatives, i.e. 'the cooncil'. If you don't like what they do, vote them out. Money should only be a consideration when it is being frivolously wasted - as it would have been in this case.

amms, you normally post a lot of sense, but this is so far removed from any logic that I have to think kuznetsov has found out where you live and has hijacked you wifi. Think about it! These self-regarding blowhards demanded that, Strathclyde Police devote additional police time, manpower, resources and funding to escort them on their 'march' from whichever boozer they were getting tanked up in along to Celtic park, where they were going to be going anyway. In other words, the taxpayer would be paying for additional police just so that these pseudo-revolutionary pricks can feel big about themselves. The cops were quite right to tell them to GTF This has nothing to do with freedom of expression; these twats weren't marching about the bedroom tax, or the referendum or to save the whale. They could have made their way to the ground, as they do every week, and held a protest there about whatever the fuck it is that they're whinging about this month. No, they were asking the public pay for Police to walk alongside them and make them feel self-important. Marches cost money to police and there was no justification for spending any public money on this 'march'. As to the Police response; the cops were faced with an organisation that deliberately and publicly challenged the authority of the police for no other reason than self-agrandisement. The cops had to show them that it's the Police who make public order decisions, not some mob of boozed up plastic paddies.

The real problem is that DV is still not taken seriously. If the government spent as much time, effort and money demonising and punishing men who abuse women as they do people who sing sectarian songs at football matches, we might actually begin to get somewhere.

I reckon it's to do with the fact that they are now the undisputed richest and most powerful club in the country; they are top dogs, top of the pile, This does not sit easily with their 'downtrodden, persecuted, victim' ethos and mentality and so they are desperately casting round for anything that lets them be the victims - hence their provocation of the police at the weekend - or that gives them the moral high ground, which is why they try to wrap any decent political or social cause in their filthy flags and claim it for their own. Although, strangely enough, they have been absolutely silent on human rights abuses visited upon children by a certain religious organisation.

where are you going with this dB? You want to know if they have more wife beating scum in their support than we do in ours?

Poor wee victims, so they are. Victims, victims always the victims. Maybe they've become so used to getting their own way; leagues titles fixed, referees sacked, policemen suspended, newpapers muzzled, that they now think they can just ignore the law of the land and organise street marches whenever the mood takes them.

maybe so, but remember you can't buy dignity, Pete. You stood up and asked the question that everyone else was thinking but didn't have the balls to ask or support. in 10 years time, when you're adding up the stuff you did that makes you cringe and the stuff you did that makes you feel good about yourself, which column will you put that question in? Aye, exactly.

as I understand it, 54&c, the company that owned Rangers Football Club was put into administration and its assets, i.e the football club, stadium etc, were sold to a different company by the administrators. In the DAFC case, the company is not going into administration but being wound up on the orders of HMRC - remember them? There is nobody selling the club or able to buy it. It's just going to cease to exist.

Probably so. But when we do play them - or those that are left - we will be playing them on our terms. You may think it is stubborn and spiteful not to want to have anything to do with people who tried to kill you. I don't. Oh, but it will make it easier to deal with; when we come back after two or three years, we'll be as big and strong as we ever were. They on the other hand will be penniless and broken without the Blue Pound to keep them alive. Once upon a time you used to look forward to playing hearts, hibs, aberdeen and dundee utd, because they could often give you a good game and you respected them, even if you didn't like them. I really used to look forward to games against The Hearts, frequently mental, always enjoyable. Now, any respect has gone and I for one no longer just want to beat them on the field, I pretty much want to drive them all to the wall. You can call that spiteful and maybe it is - but it's also justice.

They are worth whatever you think your dignity and pride is worth. You can accept their 'offer' and then try to live with the weekly humiliation of sharing space with them, or you can tell them to GTF and work your way to getting another watch and wallet in a couple of years. Personally, if i never had to play any of them ever again , it would be too soon - and if you could guarantee me that by moving to the League of Wales we would ensure the destruction of all those who tried to kill us in the SPL, I'd be learning how to say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch quicker than you could set fire to a holiday cottage.

You're walking home late one night, you've had a bit too much to drink and lost your judgemental abilities. You take a shortcut through an area, you would otherwise have avoided. A gang of wee shites, (lets say for the sake of argument there were ten of them) jump you, and spend the rest of the night kicking fuck out of you and trying to humiliate you in any way they can. Then they nick your watch and your wallet. Daybreak comes. You've sobered up, the world is back on an even keel. You know who they are and you can get them, one by one or as a group. But you *can* make them pay for their fun. Then you get an offer; if you leave them alone, let them go and let bygones be bygones - you'll get you watch and wallet back. You're saying that rejecting the 'offer' would be down to spite?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/21768099 from 14.30 onwards. Says it all.

Support an invitation back to the SPL on the condition that a) the signing ban is lifted and b) on the condition that the SPL, and each and every member club of that organisation, with the exceptions of Ross County and Dundee, apologise for their illegal and unscrupulous behaviour towards Rangers, when they accused us and sought to punished us for crimes we did not commit, and c) on condition that both the SPL and SFA issue an apology to rangers FC for their failure to abide by their own regulations, the dereliction of which resulted in the liquidation of the company which had run Rangers Football Club for 113 years of our 140 year history, and which caused the football club to lose almost all of its playing assets. and d) on condition that the monies owed to Rangers are paid in their entirety. and e) on the condition that, should we secure a European spot, the SFA puts us forward as a candidate club for entry into European competition, which I believe is in their remit.

think you might need to double check that link, Frankie