SteveC

Mcmurdo reads like Leggo these days. Same horrendous repetition (how many times does he mention the cost of the trial?) Same flag waving for one person and rubbishing of all others. Nonetheless will be interesting to see how Imran's, sorry, Bill's latest allegation pans out.

Just to let you know that Alloa beat Dunfermline 3-1 on agg. Put all that boycott debate aside.....until the next time it surfaces...as at least they got a gubbing

Whoever it is has put more up. Anti-McCoist stuff and an introduction to it that proves whoever it is, is definitely anti-Gers in a decidedly paranoid timothy way, you'd think that we'd got off with something rather than having an illegal punishment imposed for being victims of a crime: In April 2012, Ally McCoist famously asked this question of the three members of the SFA Judicial Panel that imposed transfer sanctions on Rangers FC. At the time, it was widely reported that Rangers personnel already knew the names of the panelists and many speculated that McCoist was just shamelessly trying to stir up supporters to threaten those who might impose penalties in the future. Just how well Rangers knew these people might be surprising. It was reported after the three panelists were named in the Scottish media that one of them, Alistair Murning, was a Rangers season ticket holder. It was odd that he did not recuse himself from such duties, but given the penalties imposed, few doubted at the time that a fair outcome was achieved. The attached email correspondence shows that in October 2011, just six months before sitting to determine the punishment for his club's failure to remit taxes withheld from players' wages, Mr. Murning was in close communications with Craig Whyte's father. His refusal to believe the evidence against Craig Whyte at this time is interesting too. As an SFA Judicial Panelist, did Murning put aside his loyalties to his club and act impeccably? Or is there a pattern of 'Rangers men' sitting in key positions to ensure that punishments are manageable and minimal? You now have some more information to help you decide for yourself. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rkccft

The personal photos were an interesting twist. I think there was a subtext to those that suggested it is not Whyte directly and not just about timothy. It's hard to keep up with all this - recordings and e-mails are pouring out of us ... Whoever would have thought our club would come to this; daily dragged through the gutter by enemy and supposed club leaders alike

If it is true, it means our own shareholders and directors are leaking ever more info directly to people in the mhedia who hate us, including recordings of one of them berating our caught-like-a-rabbit-in-headlights chairman for, erm, leaking info. We kind of knew that but the twist here is that it is alleged Imran is doing this under a pseudonym linked to Brian Stockbridge so that his 'pal' Stockbridge gets the blame or perhaps Imran would think it credit..... It is hard to be sure...also hard is to credit that they would deliberately get Murray drunk, make a fool of him and video all this and are about to leak that to all and sundry......... What a farce, what a sad, despicable farce.

To say it has got out of hand/gone beyond a joke etc. is not to come anywhere close to describing the disgrace that is on-going. The recording you refer to also makes a mockery of words like "hypocrisy" and "irony" as it has Imran berating MMurray (who comes across absolutely terribly, it has to be admitted) for washing Rangers' dirty linen in public and sending us back to the "Craig Whyte days". Since that recording this has increased exponentially and this very recording is an example of it. I note that allegedly Imran sent it to all the papers under a nickname associated with Brian Stockbridge. There's a story that also needs to be confirmed or denied.

So it isn't just Whyte who records everything and leaks to the mhedia. Jesus wept.............

Generally true, in a way you can....... but only against other non-licensed teams, that's what I meant. It would all be unofficial, there are only a handful of possible opponents (all unstable, in-and-out of existence "clubs" in political hotspots) and a nightmare of admin re crowd safety, insuring players v injury etc. Also games would be so far and few between that there would be no permanent team.

Who could we play? No-one under FIFA rule if we had no licence. Perhaps a Catalan select and a team from those regions of Africa or the Middle East that are not under FIFA jurisdiction (I seem to remember a non-FIFA "world" cup a few years ago)

"Let’s be clear. There is a lot of evidence that suggests they were. And, if that turns out to be the case, then the sky is going to fall in on Rangers in a way that made last summer’s implosion look like a warm-up act." - this makes the article a very worrying one and a sign of where the next mhedia onslaught will be centred. In among some reasonable stuff English is saying that if we are again victims of a criminal assault we should again be punished - just like last time but this time even worse than being booted into Div 3 (which can only mean out the leagues altogether.) Judge and Jury - pronouncing capital punishment on the victims not the perpetrators.

Apparently Kenny phoned Chick Young and told him this was nonsense

Nothing surer. Sevco 85whateverthef@ckitwas's correspondence to back up Shyte's claims of owning or partly owning us must be what this is building up to.

Can we do that though, Rab? Everyone seems to say that we don;t own them the league does. If that is the SFL's one bargaining chip then it will be used for them to get some deals from the SPL, not to benefit us. It will in effect be why the SPL want a "merger" (as they so euphemistically call this takeover) and condemn us to continue being our enemies, especially you know who's, financial support.

MMMm "but the debenture's not worthless in that scenario" says Shyte quickly at the end.

We have already been so. He knifed us. As we lay bleeding, muggers came in and took all our money. Our landlord then got us thrown in jail for not being able to pay our rent. The populace at large found this cruel and unjust situation to be the jolliest of fun.

If (big if, I guess) these are genuine, I wonder what Whyte has given them, data from a PC (memory stick, say) or a folder of stuff from/for a Court case? Or, to put it another way, are these emails or photocopies of emails printed out? If the latter maybe not given directly from Whyte but from a police or BDO folder. You can see why he was desperate to get D + P as "administrators"...and how everything was planned in advance and we were quite deliberately ruined and robbed. (If genuine)

Thanks for that. Refreshingly clear. Also raised a smile with: "But when we join all of these dots together what do we get apart from a sore head?".

Clubs in the Second and Third Division have been offered more money each season in a bid to push through league reconstruction plans. Representatives from all 30 Scottish Football League sides met at Hampden on Friday to discuss a proposal tabled by the Scottish Premier League for changes to the setup in time for next season. A four-team play-off between the top two tiers, improved financial distribution and a merger of both league bodies have all been put forward and were met with broad approval, although no vote was held. "The meeting was hugely positive," Hamilton Academical chairman Les Gray told STV. "We have a gone a long way to completing the process in terms of getting league reconstruction through for next season. "I am very optimistic it will be voted through. The First Division clubs may take a slight hit that would be allow for Second and Third Division clubs to benefit financially. "The vote won't happen next week at the SFL's AGM. It is likely to be a week or so after that." A vote of Scottish Premier League clubs could take place when they meet at Hampden on Monday. A total of £1.5m was earmarked to be added to the total prize pot for second tier teams under previous league reconstruction plans. A minor tweak was expected to be made to that to give more cash to the team finishing 11th in the top tier. Second and Third Division clubs stood to make a combined £846,000, meaning no change from what they currently receive and share at the end of each season based on each team's final position. STV understands that if both the SPL and SFL approve the plans, the new body would be formally up and running by June 27 this year. Teams in the First Division were already firmly behind the proposal, having previously threatened to breakaway and attempt to join the SPL after reconstruction plans failed. Gray added: "We were adamant we wanted change and it looks like we are going that way."

Thank you for the considered answer, let's leave it here for now and hopefully take up the dialogue in a Glasgow pub after a wonderful Rangers' victory when these dark days and grey areas are far behind us.

Yes, I do as it happens (not sure about the "more" excessive but....) I am sorry I have not come across you when the debate is "in" that mode and if I have and have forgotten, I apologize. One of the things that drives me berserk is that if one posts something doubting, say, "Green" one is accused of loving "Ally's footballing strategy" or if one says they love Walter Smith (I do, btw, even if knowing he knows more about football than I ever will he's not the man I'd want to plan our footballing future - you see, complications, grey areas..........) one is accused of hating some other person or supposed pressure group, or whatever. Simply put life is not black and white. Most of us learn this when we are about 7 years old. Then we hit internet forums and a lot of us seem to revert to being six year olds and pin our colours to a mast that we will never let go off because when posters back people they are rarely mature enough to admit they were wrong (the vast majority of Rangers fans on Mint, Whyte, Green ...and probably the next one). Life isn't like that. Walter, Ally, Ahmad, Green, even the Satan Whyte aren't always wrong...or right. What they want for the club may or may not be in our best interests, though, so I'd go for trusting Walter and Ally from that list for now and review footballing concerns later. That is not because I think they are right but because they might actually care. And, btw, I am not at all against the club being run as a business where the investors make a profit because they make us successful. But there is no sign of that either happening or really having been the plan. More than half the IPO has gone. We have not only spent that, but spent it with no progress as a club. My impression of you over different forums and myriad posts is that you think your support (adoration? love?) for Charles Green or your virtual persona built upon that is far more important than any feeling toward the Rangers FC. You post endlessly on Green - how often on football? I would be happy to have you prove my impression is incorrect.

What a shock. having read all your hundreds of posts on every thread you can jump in on, across forum after forum, declaring your blind devotion and undying love to and for that self-confessed repeat liar, I am absolutely flabbergasted to read this, or maybe not.

"Therefore you will not find me criticising any Bear who decides to withhold season ticket money whilst our current board behave in a manner befitting squabbling schoolgirls." Interesting choice of "schoolgirls" there. I'd have thought it somewhat (that's a touch of sarcasm, btw ) more accurate to say 'befitting' "schoolboys". I tend to think girls old enough to attend school would already be far more mature than the moronic males, a whole host of immature cretins, that have brought our club to its knees with such squabbling - no? Totally correct re the hacks etc. though..well whaddya expect from boys, eh? PS - you write great stuff though, D'Art, no question. Something the other day was so on the mark that I felt pressing the "thanks" wasn't enough. PPS it needed proof-reading though (there were nouns as verbs and verbs as nouns, or just incorrect words "illicit" for "elicit"). This sounds awful but I am not saying it to be pedantic. I am saying it because you should be published in mainstream, professional print (and e-print, obviously). I know that one can read and re-read one's own writing and never spot the mistakes (one reads what one thinks one wrote) but your articles deserve to be 100% and to be published in mainstream media. You have a real talent, imho.

Us as their saviours after all they said about and did to us - makes one wish to ejaculate vomit at high speed.

The Herald this morning says it is generally accepted as bring c.10 million or less

It was obvious in Green's STV interview that we had barely over £10 million at that moment. I have been worried ever since.