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Rab, don't shoot your bolt too early. You might yet be able to maintain your 'consistancy'. keith jackson @tedermeatballs Bit puzzled by the BBC's Dave King 'denial'. Expect it will be cleared up soon enough. Insideman3 @Insiderman3 · @tedermeatballs A "small" pr guru has started his magic with this false denial and also fed a blogger info about GW bonus to deflect. Al Lamont (BBC) just happens to be one of Toxic's go to outlets.
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I think the many awoke from their relative slumber on the politics upstairs at Ibrox thanks to the UoF/SoS constantly highlighting such and this had a definate effect come ST renewal time. However, I don't think going forward that supporters will adhere to an SoS "policy" as such, it's more that they listen to what's being said and consider it along with other matters that effect them, at the time of taking decisions.
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Given precedent, can we expect the Proxies/Easdale/Irvine line to be transparent and honest about their stated intentions or position ? So in answer to your question, we would be unwise to take what comes out from that particular camp in regard to voting intentions in an EGM, if it were to actually happen. As I understand you are also infering.
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They don't seem to care about being so blatantly in your face patronising towards the Rangers support anymore, as they think we're stupid and hope it just gets lost in the 'noise'.
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Nae worries ! Ashely measures "achievement" in his bottomline and that goes to the heart of why Ashely would be bad for Rangers.
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More and more will walk. Fans want to support a football team, not a corporate vehicle getting kicked around by spi.vs, intent on walking away with your money.
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I wouldn't bet on it and neither do I want him or his SD at Ibrox. SD already have 'onerous contracts' in their favour which may prove to be lead weights going forward. If he controlled the club, he'd swallow up what he doesn't already have.
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I think you'd find that "mediocrity", low relative quality and increasing his own margin is the Ashely 'bag'. It's all over his 'CV'.
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I'll be surprised if an EGM takes place. I'd imagine there will be some kind of agreement made, fudged, people walk. Moving the chairs on the titanic in preperation for a 'new start' to be heralded in at the AGM.
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Even if you are not enamoured with DK, I think he represents the best viable option at present, to try and break the spi.v stanglehold on executive control in the boardroom. I don't think it possible to leap to the 'ideal place', it would be a series of steps. Priority is to restore Rangers as a football club, not a Corporate Vehicle to extract cash.
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If Ashely starts to dominate and appoint his people then prepare for the gradual journey that sees us fade away. Whatever way you look at this, we don't look like getting out of the 'hole' anytime soon, if ever. We are a Corporate Vehicle to extract cash with the appearence of a football club.
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You really can't argue with your in-depth reasoning and (technical) knowledge. Whilst the DR isn't the bastion of best journalism, it can be said that it has been close (at times) to what has been simmering behind the scenes. It has received a 'kicking', attempts to discredit and various calls for boycott of occasion from the Rangers support, parts of the Rangers support, Rangers the club, bloggers etc. It could be argued that it is partly being used as a conduit for getting info (news) out there by the 'side' that has opposed the ongoing spi.v process. The spi.vs obviously don't want any news, opinions, investigations, revelations getting out there and have over a longtime looked to wage a counter campaign against the DR or as they'd prefer you called it, the Daily Rhebal. For Rangers supporters to aid and abet them in this, is foolish and shortsighted. If their is one thing Rangers supporters should have learnt, it is to try and be reasonably objective when interpretating X, Y or Z. That's not to say believe everything, but read/listen and think a little as you try and fit the impossible moveable jigsaw together. I even read the Judas Blogger, McMurdo because it can of occasion be an 'early warning system' courtesy of the Toxic link.
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With all the heavyweights and Chins in our directors box, they could hold a Sumo Wrestling Tournament at Ibrox. A fight to the death, with the eventual winner having a three minute play-off round with an angry lion who hadn't had breakfast. Disclaimer: Joke
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A united board supporting Wallace ? I don't think so, more misleading bullshit. (James RIFC board) Easdale for one wants rid of GW. I doubt it will come to an EGM. I think in part they want to force at least Wallace to walk.
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Another stage change in the ongoing sp.iv process to extract value from the club beckons as we head towards another December and another AGM. Regardless of what results from the proposed EGM (if it takes place). Many said that the last 'New Board' were basically a continuem rather than the proclaimed 'change for the better'. Well, what you'll get again is any 'blame' apportioned to the past and give the 'new board' time. there will probably an initial 'sweetner or two attached'. Meanwhile "turn up and give us your Blue Pound, we need it or the club is in trouble." They won't tell you that there is effectivelly a 'spi.v tax' to pay from that Blue Pound and that their MO will ensure that we head towards 'trouble'.
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Rangers demand apology over Livi programme article
buster. replied to ian1964's topic in Rangers Chat
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There are only so many hours in a day for a volunteer and the volume of traffic makes FF the obvious choice. Most things will reach Gersnet one way or another and then you also have the option at looking at the SoS facebook or twitter feed.
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I don't know the first thing about the various FO vehicle options that there may be. However, in the event that an individual fan and shareholder preferred not to join the FO vehicle directly, wouldn't the option of proxying voting rights (longterm) exist ? This might not be as solid a base but might allow the block to carry more weight. What other options exist regards FO and is there anyone especially that you see as the best option ?
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Final Reminder for anyone close and interested.
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"The assassin might be firing blanks for now..." Saw the title and thought this was about Merlin.
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I'm coming at this from an angle that is trying to look for possible ways forward regards FO. The fundamental problem regards the divided fanbase is one that needs to be solved (to a reasonable degree) otherwise we're lost treading water in everything, not just FO. Hildy, I understand your angle and could debate some of the finer points of it but generally agree that until the spi.vs leave the building, they are going to have executive control and the voting rights largely tied-up and stay ahead of the 'game'. And that at some stage further down the road when value had been fully extracted, we'd probably be able to reclaim what was left. I won't go further than that because I don't want to go OT.
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That's why I think (previous post) you'd probably need 'radical change' to alter the dynamic. Obviously this wouldn't go down well with many but......what's the more important, the groups or Rangers ? - Disband all groups - Form One new group with 'new blood' with no 'history'. (New = Change = Hope) - Try to move RFFF money towards buying shares for new group. - Encourage individual supporters to proxy their share voting rights to new group.. - Lobby for seat on the board
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We can argue the toss and go round in circles. We can float in a thread of well written 'hope' proclaiming how we agree. Or perhaps we could appreciate a well written article, have the debate on this fundamantal and complicated issue, accept that it won't be easy, accept we won't all agree on every detail and wait/hope for those involved to actually move towards step 1. And not forget the immediate which in turn has direct influence on future ambitions of fan ownership. Don't interpret this or my other posts in this thread as a negative, for me it's about trying to be direct and realistic about the situation. To a point where something actually starts to move. A follow-up from yourself or other regards the possible practical mechanics of what you touch on would be welcome. For me, fan ownership is the answer but as we are, it's not happening.
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Yes, but there are obvious difficulties with this aswell regards a reasonably unified and effective action. It seems as though the same problem or faultline runs through the fanbase whether it be for the more immediate or the longerterm. You have to say that if the support can't see the bigger picture for surrounding noise and squabbles within and make moves accordingly, then there is little hope of achieveing anything beyond that. That may sound negative but it's where we are. I don't have the answers and am myself opinionated regards the ongoing situation, but efforts need to be made in an attempt to seriously address the division, so as to give us at least a chance going forward for both the short and long term.