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might be an idea after this one gets messy to do them on a monthly basis. we could also get vbookie installed. in my own little version of betting, i'm up 100 quid in three days on shares. in a bloody hypothetical portfolio, right enough, because i'm skint. but it bodes well for my investment/bets in the new year.

i remember them doing that, but i'm not sure if they do. sure someone'll know though, and great idea.

people were actually asking where you'd got to but a few days ago!

^ yeah, i dont think the queen's actually truly representative, or the head of, or the defender of anything like protestantism, or anything. i couldnt even properly be described as a protestant. just that, simply by having that title, whatever it means, it could be described as sectarian to say FTQ - and who could argue sayings its all just words?

she's the royal defender of the protestant faith in britain.

it was your cheery optimism we missed in your enforced absence m8 :devil: :uzi:

^ hehe. they just jealous, and because they work for the council and are, hence, necessarily, tims, by the incontrovertible logic of the song, they just canny dae the bouncy. hence the ban. its terrible.

btw, not forgot m8, am just consulting mine own little library to get proper names and whatnot.

take your sweet time, man, i'm not waiting on anything at all.

^ well worth reading all the way through.

not me wish i was. i miss my st.

man, i have a few book recommendations for you on that front, if you'd like. one by a tim, no less.

are they an independent company or a council subsiduary, out of interest? though if it is true, you really dont want the carriage getting derailed.

cammy, afaik you're not actually a presbyterian either, are you?

coming to think about it, i totally agree with this (aparts from adam). i do think gow's got something though, but he's thoroughly unproven.

welcome to the boards hopefully you'll get another one over there somehow, man.

the fans are acting like that, while their chief exec arranges secret meetings to stop this non-problem occuring. its all very strange.

i really have to wonder how you came to know this at all. have you went around surveying them? it may just be the unlucky few you've came across are. when i think to every season ticket holder i know, i dont really know any that are actually intolerant of catholics. i know plenty who hate catholicism as a religion (these are actually evenly spread out across rangers and celtic fans, are usually atheists/agnostic), but precious few who hate catholics because they're catholic. but maybe its just because i mostly know people quite like me. maybe you dont see the extremes in your support because you mostly know people quite like you. catholics suffer no persecution in our contemporary social/political context. those guys that done the initial research into it in the 80s to prove that they did have re-researched it and said "yeah, there used to be a bias against catholics in scotland, now there's not". i really think its a figment of your imagination, man. both sides have their extremists, 99% of fans couldn't care one or the other about religion at all. i mean, i could offer a counter example - i've got a mate from the deepest darkest butney (well, when it wasn't all knocked down - though its still a little provo stronghold, takings taken for the ira every week etc) and he went to john paul and promptly announced that "i cant believe you're a fucking proddy man, you're brand new" once we'd spoke for a bit the first time i met him. turns out i was actually the first 'proddy' he'd actually properly spoken to, so, though its a convenient example for me, i have to wonder if the imaginary place he got his mindset is the same place you've got yours. personally i think the whole problems a load of shit anyway. as i said in my article before, i dont have a problem with people singing ******s, huns, orange bastards, fucking popes, queens, williams of orange, calvin or whatever - people's beliefs should be strong enough not to run about greetin' when they get offended.

i may just be madwaeit, but this conversation seems surreal to me. do you honestly think that all rangers fans hate catholics, and all celtic fans are maganimous towards rangers fans? or at least more celtic supporters tolerate protestants than protestants tolerate catholics? is that honestly what you're arguing? what planet are you on man. i'd venture that the people who actually hate each other know fuck all about their own supposed religion on either side. you dont get rangers fans beating up celtic fans over the perpetual virginity and the implicit idolatary therein, do youu ffs? or celtic fans beating up rangers fans for forsakign apostle passed down tradition to elevate their own reason solely to the application of the bible? the rangers and celtic fans that hate each other's 'religion' do so because they just hate people of a different sort. if there weren't a religious language to wrap it in, they'd still hate each other - hibs fans hate hearts fans and vice versa. 99% of people in ibrox or parkhead every other saturday are at best agnostic.

as a christian (despite my gripes with both protestant and catholic theology) i have every love for catholics. if only they'd wash. kidding. i not only love catholics in general, but specific catholics such as my aunt and the entirity of my wife's family. wtf are you talking about?

bryce reading somehwat critically, man, you've not really answered any of his questions. it seems like prosey handwaving.

mental. i cant really be bothered with international football, but moan the scots.

^ the above would work better with hutton and smith as fullbacks - that way buffel and gow could be allowed to make intelligent little runs inside while the fullbacks still provided width.

sorry for being pedantic, but that the world doesn't have 1,200,000 million is a factual, as opposed to mathematical, error, and may not even be an impossibility at all! its a poet born in the age dominated by linguistic/analytic philosophy thing. :devil:

give him a greenock top. it'll be so random he'll never forget.