Is Ally the Man for the job? - The McCoist Thread

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Barring the part about not seeing any of them being proud to play for Ally, that pretty much proves my point and... you've also just described some of the problems that almost every single big football club has to deal with, including clubs with hugely experienced managers earning 10 times what Ally does!

 

At almost every big club there's only certain players who really play for the club and their manager while others display varying characteristics of not really giving a shit and just turning up. Obviously I'm making generalizations myself here and I realise that, but I'm just trying to point out that when our team don't play the way they should it's not necessarily all the manager's fault and there's a lot of different factors to consider. One factor in our current situation is that after all of the turmoil some of these players have gone through in recent times, they might still be here, but that doesn't mean they're happy and that's not necessarily Ally's fault. It's not Ally's fault that Craig Whyte, Duff & Phelps, the SPL, SFA & numerous other bastards fucked the club over and left the team having to play in the 3rd Division this season, is it?

 

So in that case, it doesn't really matter who the manager is; half the players won't try a leg irrespective of the manager's identity.

 

If so, it makes not a jot of difference if McCoist stays or goes.

[craig 5,199]

I think i did mate.

 

No, you didnt.

 

You suggested that I was saying you can only play good or win. I said no such thing.

 

At Rangers we are only ever 1 result away from a crisis. Just look at Saturday. It wasnt a defeat but already we are calling for the manager to be sacked.

 

A Rangers manager simply doesnt get TIME. Now, we ALL want to see silky football with lots of short sharp passing, movement off the ball, balls played in behind, etc etc. Do you HONESTLY, and I mean HONESTLY, think that that our most successful goalscorer ever would prefer to play this type of football or a long ball punt all the time ?

 

Either way, what I actually was saying is that we dont give any manager time to actually impose their will on the philosophy of the team. McCoist played alongside football greats like Gascoigne and Laudrup. I am pretty sure he would prefer we played it on the deck the same way as those guys did.

 

If we play poorly and lose = McCoist should go.

If we play poorly and win = McCoist should go (to a lesser extent)

If we play well and lose = McCoist should go

If we play well and win = McCoist should go (because it is a one off or a fluke, but certainly not meant)

 

I KNOW you can play well and win, we have seen it even under McCoist's tenure - have we not pumped Celtic a couple of times whilst playing well ? Course we have - the 3-2 game last season was one of the most one-sided games I have seen in a while - we could have hit 6 or 7 past them. And we played well. The problem for us is that we go from one extreme to the other. Last Tuesday we played some real nice stuff on the deck and won comfortably. We then lump it long all day on Saturday. One extreme to the other.

 

I dont mind different tactics to be honest. I have no issue in us lumping the ball back to front if we have Kevin Kyle up against a 5ft7 CB - makes sense to play to your advantages. But I do prefer the ball on the deck and being passed around. Different teams, different pitches will call for different tactics, so I dont have an issue with it, so long as it is effective.

 

What I WAS saying is that there is no middle ground at Rangers. Many of our fans barely even accept a win if we have played poorly, so would they honestly accept a loss if we played well ? I doubt it. Can we play well AND win. Yes, has been proven. Do we do it consistently enough ? Absolutely not. Are we still finding ourselves given we have had no pre-season and didnt know we would even be playing this year ? I hope so.

 

See, the way it works is a manager doesnt get the time at our club to instill a flair we would like to see. It also depends on a plethora of other factors such as the players at his disposal, the opposition (yes, this is the 3rd division, but those 3rd division players will give you NO time on the ball)

 

Whether we like it or not our players arent moving the ball around fast enough. I coach 7 yr olds and I tell them to keep the ball moving and to keep themselves moving. You think McCoist is telling these players to pass and watch rather than pass and move ? I refuse to believe that. These players watch Barca the same as we do - we may not have the same quality of player but there should be no reason to not at least TRY to emulate that.

 

Our players are lazy, for the most part. They do their 3 hours and they are done for the day. Beckham, perfect example. Like him or loathe him, when Goram was on loan at Man U... everyone else would leave for the day and Beckham would have Goram back out on the pitch and trying to save free-kicks... Beckham would hit 2 or 300 free kicks a day because he wanted to perfect his art.

 

Yet we have players who are lazy bassas and can barely control the ball. My 7 yr old can control a ball better than the likes of Broadfoot. So what should they do about it ? They should be working on that aspect of their game. Sure, you could blame the management for that to an extent, but at what point do these guys actually show some level of professional pride to make THEMSELVES better ?

 

Yes, we can blame McCoist for some of this, he has to as manager accept that. But these players are being given an easy time from some quarters when they themselves arent doing all that they can to improve themselves.

[calscot 0]

Some people are a bit slow in working out i dont care what they have to say it seems.

 

Scared of rising to the challenge of defending your convictions I see.

[craig 5,199]

Some people are a bit slow in working out i dont care what they have to say it seems.

 

That doesnt prevent them from airing their opinions.

 

I dont see anyone telling you to stop posting your opinion despite it being likely they dont care what you have to say either.

 

So please stop with the "dont reply to me" stuff.

 

If people only posted what others wanted to hear this wouldnt even be a forum.

 

Far better to be mature about it and just gloss over the posts from people where you "dont care what they say".

[the gunslinger 3,366]

Building for the future is a fallacy - just ask Arsenal and have a look at Man U, Man City and Chelsea.

 

have a look at each of their books.

[Kenzie1 0]

I believe "Craig" has hit on a problem that has been obvious for a few years now. Beckham has been quoted as an example; Cantona, too, was a perfectionist. Our players should take note of such as these and try and at least act like the highly paid professionals they're supposed to be. If they think that doing a couple of hours training of a day makes them the finished article, then life has some harsh lessons in store for them. How many of our players, for example can 'trap' a ball - a basic skill that should be part of every footballer's armoury? I don't get to see many games due to my disability but those that I do manage to see always leaves me with the feeling that we are simply not plying our trade as we should. There should be more running off the ball, taking the heat off those in possession. We should just do the simple things. Our coaches really should be imparting knowledge of the basics. It's only football; it's not rocket science.

[kuznetsov 0]

I believe "Craig" has hit on a problem that has been obvious for a few years now. Beckham has been quoted as an example; Cantona, too, was a perfectionist. Our players should take note of such as these and try and at least act like the highly paid professionals they're supposed to be. If they think that doing a couple of hours training of a day makes them the finished article, then life has some harsh lessons in store for them. How many of our players, for example can 'trap' a ball - a basic skill that should be part of every footballer's armoury? I don't get to see many games due to my disability but those that I do manage to see always leaves me with the feeling that we are simply not plying our trade as we should. There should be more running off the ball, taking the heat off those in possession. We should just do the simple things. Our coaches really should be imparting knowledge of the basics. It's only football; it's not rocket science.

 

nakamura, mcgeady and sean maloney were known for staying behind and practicing their speciality skill. Why not our players? all3 technically sound and 2 of them dead ball specialists too. we have no players with a technical ability even close to those 3.

 

to answer you question about trapping a ball, not many, our touch, control and quick passing is abysmal. we dont have any players who look comfortable on the ball. a horrible indication of the training they are getting.

[CumbernauldGers 0]

That doesnt prevent them from airing their opinions.

 

I dont see anyone telling you to stop posting your opinion despite it being likely they dont care what you have to say either.

 

So please stop with the "dont reply to me" stuff.

 

If people only posted what others wanted to hear this wouldnt even be a forum.

 

Far better to be mature about it and just gloss over the posts from people where you "dont care what they say".

 

Never said that mate, but never let facts get in the way of you proctecting him mate.

[craig 5,199]

nakamura, mcgeady and sean maloney were known for staying behind and practicing their speciality skill. Why not our players? all3 technically sound and 2 of them dead ball specialists too. we have no players with a technical ability even close to those 3.

 

to answer you question about trapping a ball, not many, our touch, control and quick passing is abysmal. we dont have any players who look comfortable on the ball. a horrible indication of the training they are getting.

 

But also a horrible indication of their own lack of professionalism, wouldnt you agree ?

 

If I do something shit in my job, you better believe I will at least try to take corrective action. I dont see that in these players.

 

McCoist could very well demand that they attend afternoon sessions where they work solely on ball skills, technique, control, touch, vision, movement etc etc - but the last guy who tried that was hounded out through a mutiny.

 

The players need to have the DESIRE to wish to be better. Not for the club, but for themselves. Not every player is born naturally gifted and even most of those who do, have a real desire to be even better than they are. Messi, Ronaldo for example sake.... they still do extra work on the training ground because they recognise they can still get better.

 

Our players are too lazy and dont care enough. They get paid good money and whilst that is the case, they simply think they have "made it".

 

Whilst I agree that the management and coaching team are culpable I refuse to allow the "big time charlies" to walk away from the criticism too. Beckham was never the most naturally gifted player to play the game but he could certainly hit a dead ball. Why ? Constantly striving to be better. We dont have that at our club, and that isnt JUST about bad coaching.

[craig 5,199]

Never said that mate, but never let facts get in the way of you proctecting him mate.

 

You said it to him last week. And whenever anyone disagrees with you your natural response is "dont reply to me as I dont care what you say and dont want to hear it". You may not think that, but it is your standard response.