Crimson Dynamo 128 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Maybe but I'm not sure. We are the support who have been most conditioned to accept the bullshit spun towards us. Or put another way, it has been 'designed' so as any 'message' coming from the support appears to be confused, mixed, unclear and 'managable'. For our fans sometimes winning is enough 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenzEK 0 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Everyone would love to see five or six kids coming though but the point surely is we don't have that many that are good enough. A lot of players HAVE been given a decent chance over the last 2 Seasons, more than would ordinarily have. A couple have cemented a place in the team, others have had a run and disappeared as they haven't been deemed good enough. As soon as they move on there seems to be an element of hysteria that we are missing out on something! If they are up to it they will be in the team, hopefully playing in their correct position. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenzEK 0 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 For our fans sometimes winning is enough It should never be enough but we simply MUST keep winning to get back to the top league. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 4,808 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 For our fans sometimes winning is enough Herein lys a problem. If you continually throw money at short-term problems so as to 'win' and you don't have enough coming in to cover it you build up financial bubbles. In an ideal world, we would hope for the following, which is not unreasonable...... Remember the amount of money that has come into the club since the siummer of 2012. - A board that were interested in the club and the long-term. - A football management team that were competent+. - A well-run club. We have none of the above, the money has not only gone but we have large internal debts built-up. We lurch from season to season with the same spinning bullshit, more money leaking through onerous contracts and a pre-historic team built for a season. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 It's been said and ignored many times but to bring an SPL player through in a top 7 team you have to find players who are in the top 16% of the professional game. To bring through a Rangers standard player they have to be in the top 4%. The numbers say we should produce 1/4 of the home grown players of other top SPL sides. To create the gap we want with third place and to play in Europe, that shrinks much further. We can up the numbers by having a larger youth operation with more players and employing the best coaches and scouts but it's still a numbers game. Most successful clubs find it far easier just to buy the best players around and benefit from the numbers that make up the sum of every youth system in their own country and now for the richest - the World. Targeting producing large parts of your squad from your youth system, is a small club game. Large clubs also dabble in it but there is no conveyor belt, and if there was, with our finances, we'd once again be totally outdone by the far richer EPL sides. However, there is a dearth of home grown players playing for the teams there - winning is too important and the level too high, just like us. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTP 0 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 A very harsh assessment.....but one that I can't disagree with!!! How much of a chance will Callum Gallagher get next season behind Boyd, Miller, Clark, Daly & probably Shiels???? What more does Robbie Crawford need to do??? We have seen some of the youngsters get the odd game over the past 2 seasons, and they have not looked out of place, yet they are generally unable to keep a place in the 1st team. Guys like Gasparotto have done well played, yet have to watch as new guys like McGregor & possibly Zaliukas are brought in. I wouldn't mind seeing McGregor and Zaliuskas at CH .................. its seeing Jig play at CH that annoys me. We've had two years to get him out of there. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmu 0 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Sorry calscot but these stats were relevant to top seven clubs in spl. We are not a top seven club so why use that stats? We have been operating in the top level of div 3, 2, and now 1.. All this we are a big club is the nub of the problem. We are big in terms of support and potential but we hit rock bottom and should have set about rebuilding with basics. ( ie your "small club mentality") as you put each layer of foundation and subsequent levels in place then you reset your goals a bit higher each season. At times with ally and walter before it looked as if they expected more from a youngster than from the experienced palyers. They would play the old pros in their best positions and the youngsters would be played out of position, making it harder for them to settle and make an impression. The key word in youth development is nurturing and ally doesnt do nurturing... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 It's been said and ignored many times but to bring an SPL player through in a top 7 team you have to find players who are in the top 16% of the professional game. To bring through a Rangers standard player they have to be in the top 4%. The numbers say we should produce 1/4 of the home grown players of other top SPL sides. To create the gap we want with third place and to play in Europe, that shrinks much further. We can up the numbers by having a larger youth operation with more players and employing the best coaches and scouts but it's still a numbers game. Most successful clubs find it far easier just to buy the best players around and benefit from the numbers that make up the sum of every youth system in their own country and now for the richest - the World. Targeting producing large parts of your squad from your youth system, is a small club game. Large clubs also dabble in it but there is no conveyor belt, and if there was, with our finances, we'd once again be totally outdone by the far richer EPL sides. However, there is a dearth of home grown players playing for the teams there - winning is too important and the level too high, just like us. Fabregas, Alba, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, and some guy called Lionel Messi. Figo, Nani, Quaresma, Moutinho and some guy called Christiano Ronaldo. Bridge, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw and some guy called Gareth Bale. De Guzman, Martins Indi, Clasie, De Vrij and some guy called Robin van Persie. Robinho, Pepe, Coutinho, Neymar and some guy called Pele. Beckham, Scholes, Neville, Pique and some guy called Ryan Giggs. De Boer, van Basten, Bergkamp, Vemailed and some guy called Johan Cruyff. A mixture of past and present, also using clubs of varying size. The bottom line is that if the will, the expertise, the finances and the planning is there, major successes can be achieved. Small club game indeed. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Barristan Selmy 222 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 It's been said and ignored many times but to bring an SPL player through in a top 7 team you have to find players who are in the top 16% of the professional game. To bring through a Rangers standard player they have to be in the top 4%. The numbers say we should produce 1/4 of the home grown players of other top SPL sides. To create the gap we want with third place and to play in Europe, that shrinks much further. We can up the numbers by having a larger youth operation with more players and employing the best coaches and scouts but it's still a numbers game. Most successful clubs find it far easier just to buy the best players around and benefit from the numbers that make up the sum of every youth system in their own country and now for the richest - the World. Targeting producing large parts of your squad from your youth system, is a small club game. Large clubs also dabble in it but there is no conveyor belt, and if there was, with our finances, we'd once again be totally outdone by the far richer EPL sides. However, there is a dearth of home grown players playing for the teams there - winning is too important and the level too high, just like us. What are these made up statistics? What is a 'Rangers standard player'? It certainly isn't no hopers like McCulloch and Daly. Bringing through players from your youth squad is a small club game? What like Barcelona? They could play a team of players developed from their youth. What tripe. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBlue 0 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 It's EXACTLY this kind of thing why I had huge reservations about Ally becoming manager in the first place. Him and Cooper were my Rangers heroes, however I just knew that by becoming manager he would potentially descend into a poor manager and have his reputation kind of damaged. He is not a football manager in a million years. And unfortunately he has inherited too many of Walters bad habits and football 'philosophy'. What manager in his right mind would take on a player again who trainied with us the previous summer and then rejected us for another club, only to invite him back again and potentially look to sign him up. Ally - you are doing yourself - and us - no favours with much of the stuff you come out with. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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