Rangersitis 0 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 They have if Shellik forfeit the tie but being Shellik they won't Can you point to one club which has forfeited a tie when in such a situation? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,236 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I don't buy newspapers, so can anyone tell me which published moralistic articles by Speirs and English along the lines of rules are rules and celtic are not obliged to do anything but an honourable club would stand aside and let Legia go through. They must have done that, haven't they? As others have said, imagine the outraged screaming at Clyde and BBC if Rangers had got through like this. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,299 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Can you point to one club which has forfeited a tie when in such a situation? No I can't but I'm quite sure the club whose CEO invented the 'sporting integrity' saying will only be too happy to let Legia go thro' as they deserve to. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 No I can't but I'm quite sure the club whose CEO invented the 'sporting integrity' saying will only be too happy to let Legia go thro' as they deserve to. Good luck with that. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,283 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Can you point to one club which has forfeited a tie when in such a situation? Did we have such a situation before? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Did we have such a situation before? Yes, and you have already been furnished with relevant teams, but here is another one for you: Maccabi Haifa(Israel) v Haka(Finland) - 2001 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 If Celt@c had any honour or decency they'd forfeit this tie. In the interest of 'sporting integrity' too I might add.But when you take into consideration the type of people who run this club and the type of support it attracts then maybe we shouldn't be too surprised should we? Let's hope the Polish FA (and maybe government too) become involved in this. FIFA take a dim view of national governments getting involved in football matters. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 They have if Shellik forfeit the tie but being Shellik they won't In the extremely unlikley event that Celtic do indeed forfeit the tie, then there would either have to be a re-draw (because Celtic were seeded and Legia were not) or Legia would take the place of Celtic in the draw and play Maribor. There is precedent for this procedure which happens when two rounds are drawn at once, a non-seeded team who beat a seeded team take the place of the seeded team in the next round. However, it is also possible that Maribor would get a bye and Legia left in the EL. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,447 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Justice, Served Up the UEFA Way By ROB HUGHESAUG. 10, 2014 LONDON — When Michel Platini campaigned for the highest office of European soccer seven years ago, he vowed to make players more important to the sport than administrators. In many ways, Platini delivered on that promise. But unless UEFA now reverses a decision made a few days ago, the notion of fair play on the field is discredited even before the new Champions League season fully begins. Last Wednesday in Scotland, Poland’s champion, Legia Warsaw, completed a 6-1 aggregate rout over Glasgow Celtic in a preliminary stage of the competition. Two days later, UEFA announced that Legia was out of its signature tournament and that Celtic had been given a reprieve. What was so clearly won and lost on the field was overturned in a Swiss committee room. Platini had nothing to do with the decision, and in the way that justice is done in these matters, we do not know the officials who made the judgment. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage Landon Donovan, like Michael Jordan in basketball, will remain one of American soccer's icons even in retirement. On Soccer: Landon Donovan to Retire at End of SeasonAUG. 7, 2014 New York Ecuador, an under-18 futsal team, practicing at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park for this week’s world championships in Florida. For Young Soccer Players, Vast Ambitions Grow in Tight SpacesAUG. 2, 2014 “The UEFA control, ethics and disciplinary body met today and announced the following disciplinary decision,” said the statement released by UEFA regarding the decision. “Legia have been sanctioned for fielding an ineligible player. The match has been declared as forfeit, meaning Legia have lost the match 3-0.” The actual game in Scotland ended in a 2-0 victory for Legia. It confirmed the supremacy of the Polish team after its 4-1 home win in Warsaw the previous week. The forfeit rule means that the revised score is 4-4, and Celtic was declared the winner by virtue of the so-called “away goals” rule. Someone at UEFA had spotted a breach of the regulations concerning Bartosz Bereszynski, a Legia defender who entered the field as a substitute three minutes from the end of the second game. Bereszynski was banned for three UEFA games after he received a red card for a foul last February. Legia thought it had complied with the ban when the player sat out two previous qualifiers against St. Patrick’s Athletic of Dublin and a first-leg match against Celtic. Three games suspended, three games not selected meant the punishment was served in full. Apparently not. It turns out that the Warsaw club committed the grievous error of not naming Bereszynski on the squad list submitted to UEFA for the St Patrick’s games. He missed the contests, but Legia failed to officially name him for games he was forbidden to play in. Petty? It’s worse than that. The UEFA statement added: “In addition, the player Bartosz Bereszynski has been suspended for one additional UEFA competition match for which he would be otherwise eligible. The suspension shall be added to the remaining two-match suspension which the player still has to serve.” So the player, who presumably is not responsible for the club paperwork, is to be punished in total six games — twice the automatic suspension in the rules. Henning Berg, the Legia coach, told reporters over the weekend that his club would go to all possible lengths to appeal. “We thought we had a good chance,” said Berg, a Norwegian. “But it has been taken away from us because of this little technical mistake in the administration.” Continue reading the main story Continue reading the main story Berg talked about the dream denied his players. He makes the mistake of talking like a former player — Berg won a Champions League medal with Manchester United in 1999 — and a coach, rather than a pen-pusher. Even the Celtic manager, another Norwegian, Ronny Deila, admitted that he was embarrassed to be going through this way. “It’s very strange, I have to say,” said Deila. “I feel very sorry for Legia and my friends from Norway there. Legia played well against us, they put in good performances. But this is nothing to do with Celtic. It is about UEFA. It is not my business. It is a club thing and a UEFA thing.” It is bigger than that. It stinks. Continue reading the main story Recent Comments pk 3 hours ago Just another instance of the corruption in UEFA. PlayOn 3 hours ago if only FIFA applied the same standards, and enforcement, on the administration and their "elected" officers as they do with the players....... makelo 3 hours ago LEGIA WARSZAWA 6:1 CELTIC GLASGOW. Why Celtic go to the next round? UEFA counts only money. See All Comments Write a comment The possibility of reaching the group stage of the Champions League makes a potential difference of more than $30 million in income for each club. Over and above the money is the principle, and the fair and consistent application of principles. This is not the first time that Celtic has been beaten on the field and reinstated on administration issues. The previous time, however, concerned the Swiss club F.C. Sion, which was thrown out three years ago after fielding five players it employed while under a FIFA transfer ban imposed after Sion previously signed an ineligible Egyptian goalkeeper. Celtic profited in that case from a flagrant abuse of the rules. It stands to profit now from an administration oversight, a human error. “We knew the player was suspended, and he didn’t play in those two games against St. Patrick’s or the first game against Celtic,” Berg said. “He played in our league games between those matches, he’s been registered with us for all this time, and we’ve not tried to hide anything.” If and when a second UEFA hears any appeal from Legia, Platini will not, of course, be on the adjudicating panel. But he was once the finest European player of his era. He was joined in the Juventus attack by a Pole, Zbigniew Boniek, when they, too, won UEFA’s main competition, the European Cup of 1985. Boniek, now president of the Polish soccer federation, could not publicly call upon an old pal’s act to ask Platini (even if it were possible) to overturn an injustice against the Poles. But Boniek did ask Celtic to decline the place gifted it, and met with no response. UEFA, however, could surely ask where justice and duty begin. If the official who spotted Legia’s administrative error was so beady-eyed after the contest in Scotland, did no UEFA delegate spot that Bereszynski’s name was on the team sheet handed in an hour the game? A word then from a fair and observant UEFA match official could have spared the whole calumny of a game won fair and square on the field, and forfeited on a minor technicality. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/sports/soccer/justice-served-up-the-uefa-way.html?src=twr&_r=5 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca72 440 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Some people feel that a team that takes advantage of such a clerical error is not what they wish to support in a sporting context. What will this do to the attendances at C1888c's next American tour? At some point, it must surely be said, that what goes around comes around. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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