BrahimHemdani 1 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 We are doing a fantastic job of getting our house in order,more than any other club. Perhaps so but it's obvious we need to do more. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) I disagree with your statement not the ban. There is nothing more rousing as 50.000 people shouting Hello Hello! That is very true but it's a song of yesteryear and has rightly been banned for all the reasons already stated. Why not have a campiagn to bring back Follow Follow in its original form: Though the straits be broad or narrow, follow we will, Follow we will, follow we will, If the straits be broad or narrow, follow we will, We will follow in the footsteps of our team. [God bless them] Follow follow, we will follow Rangers, Everywhere, anywhere, We will follow on, Dundee, Hamilton, Aberdeen and back again If they go to Dublin we will follow on. For there's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers, No not one, and there never shall be one, Celtic know all about their troubles, We will fight till the day is done. For there's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers, No not one, and there never shall be one! I realise that some might try to sing the banned substitute words in place of those highlighted but the difference between FF and the TBB's is that the former in its original form is perfectly acceptable the latter is not in any form. Edited December 30, 2015 by BrahimHemdani 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,829 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 That is very true but it's a song of yesteryear and has rightly been banned for all the reasons already stated. Why not have a campiagn to bring back Follow Follow in its original form: Though the straits be broad or narrow, follow we will, Follow we will, follow we will, If the straits be broad or narrow, follow we will, We will follow in the footsteps of our team. [God bless them] Follow follow, we will follow Rangers, Everywhere, anywhere, We will follow on, Dundee, Hamilton, Aberdeen and back again If they go to Dublin we will follow on. For there's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers, No not one, and there never shall be one, Celtic know all about their troubles, We will fight till the day is done. For there's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers, No not one, and there never shall be one! I realise that some might try to sing the banned substitute words in place of those highlighted but the difference between FF and the TBB's is that the former in its original form is perfectly acceptable the latter is not in any form. Was just saying to guy next to me on Monday we should sing FF in it original form, it's been bastardised over the years. Your words are also wrong, there should be no mention of Dundee or Hamilton etc. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Banning a tune no matter the words is simply nonsense and not within Uefa's power Edited December 30, 2015 by the gunslinger 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 This is a two sided coin, where only one side is being looked at, I would take more notice if their IRA songs at Tynecastle had been condemned. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,245 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Banning a tune no matter the words is simply nonsense and not within Uefa's power You mean like UEFA telling clubs to withdraw their advertisements for CL games because they have their own deals? Or ban away supporters for one reason or another? Or the ex-SFL not having players names on the back of their shirts? If the authorities write the laws and clubs want to participate, the clubs have to obey. We were done for TBB, others were done for different stuff. All will be done if they don't follow the rules, the Yahoos have faced their own sanctions. You'd have to reason with UEFA about TBB ... and given the words, good luck to that. You'd have to draw some interesting connections to the bloody lines of the Marseillaise and tell them that no-one expects any Frenchmen to follow these in reality, as no Bear would walk into anyone blood these days. And, of course, that the Fe*nians that are referred to are the terrorist gangs rather than some "fantasy-mythic" name of the Irish, which it isn't. But that has to be done by someone from the club or some supporters organization. There has been hardly any sign of either to pursue that matter in the last 10 years. @ pete ... TBB sure is a great rousing song. I do remember nights in 1985 and the like, when "We are Rangers, we are Rangers" was belted out against Mönchengladbach, shaking Ibrox to its core. And there are more tunes and songs, who are hardly be heard any longer. Not even The Sash is being sung that often. Edited December 30, 2015 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juancornetto 1 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I don't subscribe to the meaning of the song any more than England fans subscribe to "rebellious Scots to crush" and implying that singing the song endorses it's meaning is ludicrous. TBB will never go away, it's been resurrected every time the support feels put upon and that's been frequent in recent times. If we want to get off this merry go round we have to man up and confront the offended with freedom of speech/freedom of expression/freedom to offend. If the fan groups can get the majority of fans to sing the "clean" version then there would be clear grounds for appeal / non-prosecution and eventually the paradigm would shift. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,411 Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 This is a two sided coin, where only one side is being looked at, I would take more notice if their IRA songs at Tynecastle had been condemned. Is it just coincidence that the BHEASTS always have an away game on Remembrance weekend for instance?,every other team sings offensive/sectarian songs at the Rangers support and nothing is ever done,it's no surprise that now and again some Rangers fans give it back,not condoning it but I can understand it 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,411 Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) “No list of proscribed songs,” say Police Scotland ahead of Celtic and Rangers derby POLICE Scotland has said that there is no list of ‘banned’ songs for football fans, contradicting earlier newspapers reports ahead of the Celtic versus Rangers game on Sunday. Reports in the 29 January edition of the Daily Record claimed there was a definitive list of songs, originating from 2011, which were proscribed in advance of Sunday’s League Cup Semi-Final between Celtic and Rangers. When asked, the Daily Record refused to provide any clarification on where they had obtained the 'list' from. After doubt was cast on the authenticity of this story, Chief Superintendent Andy Bates said on Thursday: “There is no list of songs as they constantly change and people can insert words into any song.” While insisting no list exists, Bates warned that fans could still find themselves liable to arrest if they sing songs which police deem as offensive. “If its clearly offensive, don’t sing it and conduct yourself responsibly at the football stadium,” he continued. Many Celtic fans are from Glasgow's Irish diaspora and Republican songs remain commonplace among sections of the support. Followers of Rangers traditionally identify with loyalism and sing songs of this tradition. This will be the first time Celtic have faced Rangers in their current form after the old club was liquidated in 2012. There has been significant media hype about the game and the potential for trouble and arrests. Following a tumultuous Glasgow derby in 2011, the Scottish Government brought in the controversial Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications legislation which gave the police and prosecutors additional powers over singing at football games. The legislation has faced heavy criticism with football fans claiming that the Act needlessly criminalises supporters and has led to excessive police harassment. Of the 154 cases taken to court last year, there were not guilty verdicts declared in 74 of them, 48 per cent of all cases. There has also been confusion over which songs are deemed acceptable after the conviction of a Celtic fan for singing Roll of Honour, a song which commemorates the deaths of IRA hunger strikers during The Troubles, last year at Dundee Sheriff Court - just months after another Celtic fan had been cleared of charges in the same court over the same song. Jeanette Findlay from Celtic campaign organisation Fans Against Criminalisation was present at numerous meetings with the police at the introduction of the Act. According to Findlay, on every occasion Strathclyde Police, and thereafter Police Scotland, insisted there was no list. Findlay told CommonSpace that she believes “certain newspapers including the Daily Record are seeking to stoke, stir up ill feeling in advance of Sunday’s game. In order to do so they are even stooping so low as to make references to songs which do not exist and have never been sung.” "I fear that Police Scotland wish to use this relatively insignificant game to further stoke the myth this legislation is necessary to control football fans." “The so-called shame game in 2011 was used as the public excuse for this abominable legislation,” Findlay continued. “With separate funding of FOCUS (Football co-ordination unit for Scotland) now coming to an end I fear that Police Scotland wish to use this relatively insignificant game to further stoke the myth this legislation is necessary to control football fans.” A Police spokesperson told CommonSpace: "In recent years police officers have been provided with training to enable them to recognise songs that are sectarian or otherwise offensive. This is one small part of our overall approach to tackling all forms of hate crime." The match on Sunday will take place at Hampden Park and kick off at 1.30pm. https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/176/no-list-of-proscribed-songs-say-police-scotland-ahead-of-celtic-and-rangers-derby How many fans were arrested on Monday for singing?,none I guess. It is all just another attack on our club by the BHEASTS and backed fully by the media. I want our club to fight for the fans. Edited December 30, 2015 by ian1964 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,411 Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Perhaps so but it's obvious we need to do more. Agreed,and we are the leading club in Scotland in that regard,however there is a huge effort put into reporting what songs Rangers fans sing,all every fan wants is parity and until we get that we will continue to be targeted regardless of what we sing. I believe the club should be fighting back on behalf of the Rangers fans. I repeat did the cops arrest anyone for singing?. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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