Bluedell 5,348 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 If someone runs onto the park LAST season ,we will sell them a season ticket for THIS season,ban them and keep their money.If ANY fan thinks this is fair-----please tell us why? I'd agree that it's not correct to do that. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 1,675 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Good point CB, what if the fan was on the pitch to get away from being attacked, or in fear for his health and safety, missiles, flares or whatever. Rhis is were mitagation comes in, a fan going on the pitch for other reasons other than just looking for notoriety. I suppose the club can decide on just about any additional rules they want to regarding behaviour in the ground but being on the pitch for non essential purposes which includes "exuberance" is an offence in law. As for being on the pitch with a valid reason that would appear to be covered in the red print of this quote. It is an offence for a person at a designated football match to go onto the playing area, or any area adjacent to the playing area to which spectators are not generally admitted, without lawful authority or lawful excuse (which shall be for him to prove). http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/19/section/4 So presumably if you were on the pitch due to fears for your safety that would be permissible at least legally if you can prove it which in some circumstances may be problematic. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinstein 294 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 so a guy's got 4 months jail for running on the pitch and challenging rival fans to a fight. A Rangers supporter. 50 year old guy with 20 previous convictions I find it hard to sympathise 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 1,675 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 so a guy's got 4 months jail for running on the pitch and challenging rival fans to a fight.A Rangers supporter. 50 year old guy with 20 previous convictions I find it hard to sympathise Well if that's the case I expect a bunch of theirs will be going to jail. I Have the evidence of what they did right here and if I can find it in seconds I can see no reason the law couldn't. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) http://club1872.co.uk/news/club-1872-comment-on-sc-final-bans/ Update from Club1872 Edited July 30, 2016 by chilledbear 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,430 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) http://club1872.co.uk/news/club-1872-comment-on-sc-final-bans/ Update from Club1872 Still a case of guilty until proven innocent by the club,poor show!,it is clear the board are more interested in building bridges than looking after the fans Edited July 30, 2016 by ian1964 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,430 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Rangers finds it incomprehensible that no one, either from within the Scottish FA or Hibernian Football Club, has condemned Hibernian’s supporters following the violent scenes at the end of yesterday’s Scottish Cup final when Rangers players and members of our backroom staff were physically and verbally assaulted. We have not even had the courtesy of any contact whatsoever from Hibernian to ask after the wellbeing of those who were attacked by their club’s supporters. There must be a full independent investigation into the shameful scenes at Hampden. Rangers is also at a complete loss to understand why certain individuals have hastily attempted to gloss over the appalling events which unfolded at the end of Saturday’s final. No matter how many times Hibernian’s chairman and Scottish FA vice-chairman, Rod Petrie, and certain other biased commentators wish to play down Saturday’s mayhem and violence, the truth must not be distorted. What unfolded on Saturday cannot and must not be put down to exuberance. That is a complete insult to Rangers, our supporters, and those individuals who were intimidated and attacked. It was clear to most of those who watched in horror that the Scottish FA’s security procedures failed when Hibernian’s fans went over the top in their thousands. It is to be hoped that all of Scottish football will share Rangers’ disgust and any attempts to attach blame to our supporters for the disgraceful and violent behaviour, which led to our players and fans fearing for their safety, will not be accepted or tolerated by this Club. We acknowledge that a tiny minority of Rangers fans also encroached on the pitch but only after having been faced with prolonged and severe provocation and in order to protect our players and officials who were being visibly attacked in front of them. Any club’s supporters would have done the same. This distressing and deeply disturbing episode would never have happened had Hibs fans behaved properly but as they swarmed across the pitch it became immediately obvious that the security procedures were inadequate and had failed. These fans were allowed to rush, unchecked, towards Rangers supporters at the opposite end of the stadium – all the while goading and threatening them. This makes it preposterous to suggest Rangers fans were somehow to blame as some commentators appear anxious to do. This thuggish behaviour must be investigated and as many culprits as possible brought to book and formally charged. This is the second time in a year that Rangers fans have had to endure attacks by another club’s supporters. It must also be said that it was not at all helpful to see leading members of the Scottish Government, including the First Minister whose parish is Govan, passing comment on social media without any attempt to condemn the behaviour of Hibernian’s fans. These failures are unbecoming of our elected representatives. Certain media outlets have also attempted to distort reality. In the case of the BBC this is, of course, not news. BBC employees, in particular Stuart Cosgrove, believe Rod Petrie’s comments to be ‘balanced’ and others speak of a ‘minority’ of Hibernian supporters. Another, Tom English, who was not even at the match, would prefer the authorities to focus on Rangers fans’ reaction. We will not endure this insult. So, let everyone be clear on one thing – Rangers demands that players, staff and fans be protected from the violence and hatred of supporters of other clubs. Rangers fully expects the Scottish FA and Police Scotland to take action to provide our people with a safe environment. When players are unable to accept medals at the end of a final because of fears for their safety and our supporters are alarmed and extremely concerned for the women and children among them, then surely every step must be taken to ensure that this is never repeated. http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/club-statement-60/ 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 4,808 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Ian The statement (in part) was weak and unsustainable. In as much as that position was unlikely to be able to be further defended at a later date, if/when the police investigated and brought subsequent charges that led to convictions. Since that statement, we have had the intervention of the Scottish Justice Minister (incidently, whose party would love the opportunity to go after Rangers) and the SPFL's reply which fell short of doing what the minister wanted but did vote through a resolution that puts more onus on clubs to tighten regulations on unacceptable conduct. So even if the club in it's statement thought it possible to fully follow up on it, the ground rules/enviroment have since changed. To be clear and only IMO, the initial statement was in part, making a rod for the clubs own back, ie. a position that was unlikely to be sustainable and after further events became clearly unsustainable. --------------------- ie. the club (as a member of the SPFL) has taken the only route realistically open to it at this time but has clarified what will happen if those charged are found 'not guilty'. We live in a time when Scottish legislation openly discriminates against the football supporter and has helped to set a tone which was emphasized by the Justice Minister post SCF when putting pressure on Scottish clubs/governing body. Edited July 30, 2016 by buster. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Barristan Selmy 222 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 so a guy's got 4 months jail for running on the pitch and challenging rival fans to a fight.A Rangers supporter. 50 year old guy with 20 previous convictions I find it hard to sympathise I wouldn't want anyone with 20 previous convictions attending our games anyway. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabie 230 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I wouldn't want anyone with 20 previous convictions attending our games anyway. Yesterday I read a bear elsewhere trying to defend 20 previous convictions by saying they could be parking tickets, penalty points, litter offence tickets or similar. That's fine until you know that those aren't shown in court as previous convictions. The court is not told about offences like those. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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