Ongoing new manager discussion and speculation

[chilledbear 16]

Miller probably thinks his name is first on the team sheet now.

 

Problem for the new Manager?

[Uilleam 5,495]

Is it really Mcinnes?

 

On Monday, the odious and discredited dog handler penned

 

".....This is a big call for McInnes, whose career has already been blighted once by that financial basket-case called Bristol City. Rangers appear brittle and lacking leadership and with money problems; a form of charity from directors is keeping the club going. In the prime of his managerial life, at 46, is this the right move for McInnes? It might not be."

 

On Monday night, BBC Sportsound, bastion of reasoned, balanced comment on all matters related to Rangers, regaled its audience with more of the same. Who actually writes their scripts?

 

Today. Mick Grant, another from the same mould, bangs the same drum:

 

Derek McInnes needs to be convinced to take the Rangers job

 

michael grant, scottish football correspondent

 

 

It may be that Rangers decide to go for Derek McInnes and the manager of Aberdeen feels the Ibrox job is irresistible, but don’t bet your mortgage on it. Rangers is no longer a club which can click its fingers and expect everyone to come running.

 

There is significance to the fact that when Michel Preud’homme’s name emerged for Rangers it was soon dismissed from within Ibrox. That’s not been the case around McInnes. Anything that has emanated from Rangers over the past few days has pointed to their enthusiasm for someone who knows the British and specifically Scottish scenes, and who understands the club. That doesn’t apply only to McInnes, of course, but he ticks all those boxes.

 

This is a story which will move in an instant: it will break that Aberdeen have been approached and granted permission to speak to McInnes, or refused it, or suddenly another name will be firmed up as the new, serious frontrunner. Those of us in the stampeding media will then veer off in a different direction.

 

McInnes won the Scottish Cup with Rangers in 1999 and would be both excited and wary about returningMcInnes won the Scottish Cup with Rangers in 1999 and would be both excited and wary about returning

 

The big imponderable here is Mark Allen, Rangers’ director of football. Allen should have a contacts book with some serious names. He will have his friendships and his connections and his beliefs about what kind of manager Rangers need. He was appointed on June 20 so it was a curious piece of timing for him to announce, 18 weeks later with a new manager being hunted, that Andy Scoulding, John Brown, Dave Swanick, Billy McLaren, Dave Stevenson and Rob Clarkson had been assembled as a new scouting and recruitment network.

 

The timing seemed like a statement of assertion from a man who previously had been low-profile. Could McInnes work with a strong director of football who had placed his chosen people in several key roles? He would have to. That so many appointments were required at all was a reminder of the structural vacuums which still exist through Rangers since 2012.

 

McInnes knows Rangers. As a supporter and former player the emotional appeal to manage and restore them would be powerful. His salary would take a jump, he would have a far bigger transfer budget (their summer spend was nearly £10 million; Aberdeen’s was £450,000), and Murray Park amounts to a training palace compared to Aberdeen’s pitiful absence of facilities.

 

After winning Aberdeen’s first trophy in 19 years, transforming their league finishing positions from 9th, 9th, 9th and 8th to 3rd, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd, and taking them back to cup finals and Europe — not to mention the broader restoration of their credibility and respect — it would be understandable if he felt he had taken them as far as he (or anyone else) can. That chastening defeat by Celtic last week again illustrated the yawning gulf between second and first, and McInnes looked beaten.

 

But he is canny. Knowing Rangers and the west of Scotland will also make him wary. Any well-connected manager knows Rangers lack off-field leadership. Dave King doesn’t forge deep, trusting relationships with his managers as Stewart Milne and Dermot Desmond or Peter Lawwell do. McInnes is shrewd enough to recognise that being the Rangers manager against a Celtic juggernaut is no fun. Fans grow more demanding, critical and restless with every defeat and slip. Celtic fans revel, mock and ridicule.

 

As a supporter and former player the emotional appeal to manage and restore them would be powerful

All strong managers back themselves to be the man who will improve things and turn the tables but financially Rangers cannot compete with Celtic and their squad strengths are incomparable. There is a sense that if Celtic feel Rangers might get uncomfortably close they would up their spending to ensure they were kept at more than arm’s length (the palpable “tooling up” of appointing Brendan Rodgers would happen again, if required).

 

In three-and-a-half years Celtic surely will reach ten in a row. It is unlikely that whoever Rangers appoint in the coming days will still be the manager by then. Patience and team-building comes apart when a manager goes on a run of losing Old Firm games. It’s a crazy, self-defeating working environment but it’s the reality of the rivalry.

 

There was a crowd of more than 27,000 at Sunderland’s home game on Saturday, to watch a team that had played 19 times at the Stadium of Light this year without a single win. They were relegated in May and second bottom of the Championship going into last night’s match against Bolton. That McInnes turned them down in the summer was an enormous shock which has looked more and more perceptive with every passing week. It was evidence of how protective he is of his career and his reputation.

That’s what Rangers will have to overcome if they want him. If an offer becomes real it is hard to believe he would turn them down. But Rangers would have to sell themselves to a guy who knows them inside out.

 

One might almost detect a media campaign........

 

As I said, just who writes their scripts?

Edited November 1, 2017 by Uilleam

[SteveC 150]

Is it really Mcinnes?

 

On Monday, the odious and discredited dog handler penned

 

".....This is a big call for McInnes, whose career has already been blighted once by that financial basket-case called Bristol City. Rangers appear brittle and lacking leadership and with money problems; a form of charity from directors is keeping the club going. In the prime of his managerial life, at 46, is this the right move for McInnes? It might not be."

 

On Monday night, BBC Sportsound, bastion of reasoned, balanced comment on all matters related to Rangers, regaled its audience with more of the same. Who actually writes their scripts?

 

Today. Mick Grant, another from the same mould, bangs the same drum:

 

Derek McInnes needs to be convinced to take the Rangers job

 

michael grant, scottish football correspondent

 

 

It may be that Rangers decide to go for Derek McInnes and the manager of Aberdeen feels the Ibrox job is irresistible, but don’t bet your mortgage on it. Rangers is no longer a club which can click its fingers and expect everyone to come running.

 

There is significance to the fact that when Michel Preud’homme’s name emerged for Rangers it was soon dismissed from within Ibrox. That’s not been the case around McInnes. Anything that has emanated from Rangers over the past few days has pointed to their enthusiasm for someone who knows the British and specifically Scottish scenes, and who understands the club. That doesn’t apply only to McInnes, of course, but he ticks all those boxes.

 

This is a story which will move in an instant: it will break that Aberdeen have been approached and granted permission to speak to McInnes, or refused it, or suddenly another name will be firmed up as the new, serious frontrunner. Those of us in the stampeding media will then veer off in a different direction.

 

McInnes won the Scottish Cup with Rangers in 1999 and would be both excited and wary about returningMcInnes won the Scottish Cup with Rangers in 1999 and would be both excited and wary about returning

 

The big imponderable here is Mark Allen, Rangers’ director of football. Allen should have a contacts book with some serious names. He will have his friendships and his connections and his beliefs about what kind of manager Rangers need. He was appointed on June 20 so it was a curious piece of timing for him to announce, 18 weeks later with a new manager being hunted, that Andy Scoulding, John Brown, Dave Swanick, Billy McLaren, Dave Stevenson and Rob Clarkson had been assembled as a new scouting and recruitment network.

 

The timing seemed like a statement of assertion from a man who previously had been low-profile. Could McInnes work with a strong director of football who had placed his chosen people in several key roles? He would have to. That so many appointments were required at all was a reminder of the structural vacuums which still exist through Rangers since 2012.

 

McInnes knows Rangers. As a supporter and former player the emotional appeal to manage and restore them would be powerful. His salary would take a jump, he would have a far bigger transfer budget (their summer spend was nearly £10 million; Aberdeen’s was £450,000), and Murray Park amounts to a training palace compared to Aberdeen’s pitiful absence of facilities.

 

After winning Aberdeen’s first trophy in 19 years, transforming their league finishing positions from 9th, 9th, 9th and 8th to 3rd, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd, and taking them back to cup finals and Europe — not to mention the broader restoration of their credibility and respect — it would be understandable if he felt he had taken them as far as he (or anyone else) can. That chastening defeat by Celtic last week again illustrated the yawning gulf between second and first, and McInnes looked beaten.

 

But he is canny. Knowing Rangers and the west of Scotland will also make him wary. Any well-connected manager knows Rangers lack off-field leadership. Dave King doesn’t forge deep, trusting relationships with his managers as Stewart Milne and Dermot Desmond or Peter Lawwell do. McInnes is shrewd enough to recognise that being the Rangers manager against a Celtic juggernaut is no fun. Fans grow more demanding, critical and restless with every defeat and slip. Celtic fans revel, mock and ridicule.

 

As a supporter and former player the emotional appeal to manage and restore them would be powerful

All strong managers back themselves to be the man who will improve things and turn the tables but financially Rangers cannot compete with Celtic and their squad strengths are incomparable. There is a sense that if Celtic feel Rangers might get uncomfortably close they would up their spending to ensure they were kept at more than arm’s length (the palpable “tooling up” of appointing Brendan Rodgers would happen again, if required).

 

In three-and-a-half years Celtic surely will reach ten in a row. It is unlikely that whoever Rangers appoint in the coming days will still be the manager by then. Patience and team-building comes apart when a manager goes on a run of losing Old Firm games. It’s a crazy, self-defeating working environment but it’s the reality of the rivalry.

 

There was a crowd of more than 27,000 at Sunderland’s home game on Saturday, to watch a team that had played 19 times at the Stadium of Light this year without a single win. They were relegated in May and second bottom of the Championship going into last night’s match against Bolton. That McInnes turned them down in the summer was an enormous shock which has looked more and more perceptive with every passing week. It was evidence of how protective he is of his career and his reputation.

That’s what Rangers will have to overcome if they want him. If an offer becomes real it is hard to believe he would turn them down. But Rangers would have to sell themselves to a guy who knows them inside out.

 

One might almost detect a media campaign........

 

As I said, just who writes their scripts?

 

That Sunderland crowd is a nonsense. It includes season ticket holders not in attendance. The point made in that paragraph is a bare faced lie predicated on another bare faced lie. Scottish football "journalism", in other words.

Edited November 1, 2017 by SteveC

[calscot 0]

I doubt McInnes could ruin whatever reputation he has by not doing well at Rangers - I doubt anything would block him going back to where he was, at one of the bigger SPL clubs.

 

Maybe it would stop him moving up the ladder but so would any failed attempt at a middling Championship club - which is probably more likely.

 

With the proof of the pudding metaphor, if he's any good he would at least do reasonably well at Rangers, and if he can't make it there, then I don't think he can make it anywhere.

 

I really don't see what the risk is, except of being found out.

[Uilleam 5,495]

I doubt McInnes could ruin whatever reputation he has by not doing well at Rangers - I doubt anything would block him going back to where he was, at one of the bigger SPL clubs.

 

Maybe it would stop him moving up the ladder but so would any failed attempt at a middling Championship club - which is probably more likely.

 

With the proof of the pudding metaphor, if he's any good he would at least do reasonably well at Rangers, and if he can't make it there, then I don't think he can make it anywhere.

 

I really don't see what the risk is, except of being found out.

 

i am not convinced that your thinking , which is substantially correct, is what drives our friends across the media.

[RANGERRAB 3,299]

The problem with McInnes is that he's spent too long (coming up for 5 years) at a provincial club like Aberdeen where he's won just one LC.

 

About 3 years max would be the norm at a club like Aberdeen these days for a manager with any sort of ambition.

[RANGERRAB 3,299]

Miller probably thinks his name is first on the team sheet now.

 

Problem for the new Manager?

 

depends on how he's playing. Pedro was right to drop him IMO

[craig 5,199]

depends on how he's playing. Pedro was right to drop him IMO

 

I would agree with that.

 

However, I would also agree with Murty bringing him back in as we weren't exactly firing on all cylinders up front.

 

I've always been about playing form players. After his performance on the weekend Miller should keep his place... however, should he drop back to early season form, he should then be dropped again. Same as any player IMO.

[MacK1950 2,249]

At that stage Pedro was correct to drop him but made the mistake of not utilising his experience in crucial games.

[der Berliner 3,286]

The longer the media circles about McInnes, the longer they will stop doing some real journalism and follow the tracks of our officials checking out other people. And, of course, stop harass Murty and Co..