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Mate, ask them if they want shroomz with their big spliff.

I'd be proud to take your place if you can't make it for some reason mate! :devil:

So can we assume that we'd like to bring in a few million in this transfer window because SDM literally doesn't have the cash flow to inject that would have made it a non-issue?

How so Frankie?

Something we need to remember before pointing any fingers of blame for us having to 'try' to sell a player or two to balance the books is that it might not have been an issue at all if it wasn't for the banking crisis. HBOS & RBS apparently didn't have (or at least make public) extremely serious problems until October, so although we probably overspent by several million in the summer transfer window, it was probably looked upon as something that wouldn't necessarily be a major problem financially. Then came October & while the GBP continued to drop towards all time lows against the EURO, HBOS & RBS at one point apparently came extremely close to not being able to open their doors to trade with the public. No matter what SDM says about everything being peachy, you can be sure that he's at least being mildly pressured on the overdraft & asked politely to reduce it if possible.

I always thought that Boyd made the right decision, but the way things are for the Scotland squad & their chances of getting to Africa, I'm now thinking that Boyd just can't win either way. It won't matter if he rejoins the squad or not, either way, it'll be made out that he's more to blame than Burley. Maybe not of course, but if he plays in the remaining games & doesn't score in a squad that doesn't qualify, he'll be made a scapegoat. If he sticks to his guns & stays clear of Burley's squad & they don't qualify, he'll be made a scapegoat. He can't win unless he plays in the remaining games & scores winning goals against Holland at least, so in all honesty, as much as I want Scotland to qualify, I think he should stay well clear of the whole farce. Burley chose not to play him. Boyd decided not to make himself available to Burley. End of.

Boyd definitely shouldn't make himself available to Burley again imo. If he does & gets played in the remaining games he'll only end up as a potential scapegoat when we don't qualify because of Burley's f*ckups in the start of the campaign.

Thanks chaps! Btw, did you notice that the sedoparking page that was coming up was mostly full of Celtic related links?

I do stand by my original statement & won't be getting manipulated into deleting anything else I write on this forum by you maineflyer. Nice try, but don't think you'll be pulling my strings with that crap anymore.

Yes, it IS your business & it would be appreciated if you could go about it without getting nasty & personal.

What I said was, that people turning up at matches with 'Murray must go' banners etc is 'embarrassing & potentially damaging to the club'. Embarrassing to the club. Potentially damaging to the club. Not to me. If you don't see how that could possibly be the case then either you've misread/misunderstood what I said or perhaps it's you who exists 'in some kind of personal vacuum' along with your agendas. If you think I've been 'highly offensive', stink of 'supercilious smugness' & have a shallow position, I make no apologies & you're entitled to express your opinion about what I write in whichever way you see fit, but it might be prudent for you to properly consider what I've written & perhaps what I actually mean before getting nasty.

So they are! :devil:

These are damn good points! The only thing I would disagree with is when you say 'but I can understand why some may find such a reaction suitable', simply because I personally don't understand why anyone would think that's a suitable course of action. Projects aimed at discussion and debate such as the one you're organizing here are much more constructive & worthwhile than any angry protest will ever be. As I said on another thread, people turning up at matches with 'Murray must go' banners etc is not only embarrassing & potentially damaging to the club, but also a complete waste of time given that SDM knows all too well that a portion of the support want him out... as do all the other fans. There's nothing constructive in stating the obvious till you're blue in the face with jets of steam gushing from your ears....

Frankie's got some wee wheel trim steelin' scoundrels marchin' around Glasgow with Gersnet Sandwich boards... They agreed to do it all month for a bottle of wine between them.. :devil: Welcome btw!!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way, but you never know what can happen with still over a week to go in the window...

I disagree. Why would we only concentrate on the lowest point of SDM's time here? Concentrating on a trough or peak is a highly illogical approach to collecting statistics. I disagree for the same reason as above. Our record over 20 seasons is near as damn it a cup per season, which is 1st class IMO. I didn't say that team should have beaten anyone. I said they should have beaten Kaunas, but as I said, they didn't. End of story. The best teams in the world have these same issues at times & they aren't an issue when the free kick or corner constitutes as or results in a league or cup winning goal. I didn't say 'the support can't criticise unless they have all the answers'. There's no need to put words into my mouth BD.... I blame MB for that more than SDM. MB is getting paid a fortune & for what exactly? Admittedly, I do blame SDM for keeping MB despite his poor performance in his job. Well, the U19s have been doing well & I haven't heard these rumours, but I'm not well placed to hear rumours from within the club. Not an entirely worthy point though, since it hasn't actually happened yet. Well, you apparently know more about that finances than anyone else here, so I trust that we can take your word for that. My point was that the RST have been unsuccessful in building a worthwhile relationship between the support & the club, for many reasons. If that can be disputed, I stand corrected. Maybe you misunderstood me. I basically said that the wording was moronic. mmmmmmm...........

It hasn't happened to me like that before on Gersnet. I always get logged out automatically after a short period of time, but if writing a post I normally get round it by copying the text & pasting it into a new post after logging in again. Unfortunately, in this case it was an edit & when trying to post it, I was stupid enough to do what the pop-up told me to do - which was to refresh. Why a forum pop-up would tell you to refresh when you're going to lose your edit is beyond me, but 'thems the breaks' I guess....

Hi BD, I've just spent 20 mins refining my points in that post you've gone through & was asked via a pop-up to refresh the page. It's the first time I've come across this, but essentially I lost 20 mins worth of editing, so I'm throwing the dummy out & calling it quits for now. cheers, Mark

I wasn't disagreeing with your article in general Frankie, only the part that suggested that the RST's points couldn't really be argued. TBH, some of their points would have had more validity if worded differently & others would've had more validity if backed by a proper census or survey. As it was though... IMO, they released a sloppy statement on behalf of Rangers fans without their permission, that lacked in credibility, accuracy, fairness & worthiness. At the risk of becoming the writer of the most disliked first article from someone on gersnet I'll consider writing something up, but don't count on me until I give it some more thought. The recoil is worrying, but that doesn't usually deter me from speaking my mind. :devil: Yes, it would!!

Nice one, thanks!

No problem Frankie. I actually wasn't trying to steer your topic into a debate over the individual points made by the RST anyway, so apologies if I maybe went a bit OTT. I was basically trying to highlight in no uncertain terms that not everyone agrees with the points made by the RST or even the fact that they made the points public at all before conducting a credible survey of fans attending Ibrox.

Actually, there's one or two points that I don't really understand, or should I say, don't really see why they should be there. I'll outline them:- We've won 13 league titles in the last 20 seasons. We've won 19 cups in the last 20 seasons. All football teams have good days & bad days. Unfortunately, that day we had a bad day & they had a good one. Does nobody remember Scotland beating France in Paris? Despite the much debated team selection against Kaunas, the team that started in the second leg should have been able to beat them easily. They didn't. End of story. This point is so difficult, if not impossible to debate that it renders itself pointless. The training facility is producing very promising talent & even the much touted young Spaniard Aaron has said he very much enjoys training there with the 1st team. I'd like to see the RST's idea of a 'discernible strategic vision'. It was widely known that with PLG we were getting a long-term transfer & team-building plan & that the process would take time, yet he wasn't given enough time or trust simply because going 17 points behind Celtic by January was deemed as unacceptable. His era lasted 6 months. This point is complete nonsense. Our U19's have proven themselves to be the best in the country over the past couple of seasons. Obviously the RST have never heard of Lennon, Fleck, Smith, Emslie, Ness, Wylde, McMillan or Campbell (hope I haven't missed too many here). I haven't seen too much evidence of this in recent years, but nonetheless, football clubs constantly sell players either to bring in new ones or to bring in money when it's needed. High quality 1st team SPL players transfer for a fraction of what we see similar quality players transferring for in the EPL, so it's of no surprise at all that SPL fringe players fetch very little if anything at all in the transfer market. If we get any reasonable return on fringe players it should be considered as a bonus especially when other SPL clubs can't afford the wages that the players are on at Rangers. I dispute this point as well. It should probably have read more like - 'Failure to be prudent with the profits from our most lucrative ever season & reduce the club's debt' It could be argued that this is not solely the club's fault, but also the fault of the likes of the RST, given that RST members claim the exact same thing with regards to the actions of the RST. Maybe it's time the RST concentrated on speaking to the support & the club on behalf of the support, before running to the press to have their voice heard. This point is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. The club are really up against it on this point. They've been up against a powerful politically & religiously backed campaign to smear the Rangers fans & the club. The fact they can't be seen by governing bodies to be condoning any sectarianism, puts them in an extremely difficult position. They can't possibly get into petty arguments about who does what & who says what on either side of the old firm. I wouldn't disagree with either of these points, but the way it's worded is moronic. The 2 points worded together in that way are contradictory. Why anyone would defend those who are criticizing them defies any sense of logic. As I said, it's poorly worded. Can't say I agree with that point either. Maybe for some fans, but not for all fans & to be blunt, I think the spreading of doom & gloom via modern technology dictates that we're our own worst enemy regarding morale. In short, I have issues with practically every single point that the RST made in this statement. I also have a major issue with the fact that they released it all without direct consultation with Rangers fans as a whole via a mass survey conducted outside Ibrox on match days, otherwise there's absolutely no foundation for parroting on about how things can be done 'better' & fan morale being so low. Mark

I'll drink to that!!! Not that I need an excuse... :devil: :cheers:

I don't trust any strategies coming from that lot. They must be up to some sort of mischief.

Why does that not surprise me...