Tannochsidebear

This new kit could be quite a collectors item. The strip that not one fan saw Rangers play live in.

There is none, just shut up, pay your money and don’t expect anything for it apart from our thanks and endless sales emails for all our new merchandise, which you can get a small discount on to bring the cost down to extortionate! And if you don’t sign up you’re not a real fan and you won’t get any tickets.

That’s absolutely outrageous, what the heck is happening at our club? Are they so out of touch with what’s happening in the world today?

It's a complete shambles from start to, well, where we are at. It's certainly not the finish. How can they possibly ask "customers" to pay an average £500 for a ticket to watch matches that they cannot say with any certainty will take place, or that the customers will be allowed to attend? It's a bawhair short of fraud in my book. They have put a deadline of 30 June, so that gives us about 8 weeks to see what develops between now and then regarding the 19-20 season restarting or being scrapped, and any indication of 20-21 starting with fans in attendance. I certainly wont be parting with a penny until 29 June at the earliest, if at all. If the club had the honestly to come out and say, we're skint (like every other club), we cant ask you for ST money because we haven't a clue if we will be able to honour our side of that agreement, but we confirm the players have all taken substantial pay cuts for the duration of this crisis, and we would appreciate it if you could give us a donation to ensure our survival through this period. If it turns out that we can allow you in to watch the 19 home games of 20-21 we will deduct your donation from your ST cost. I would send them the £500 today.

Let's be honest guys, it mattes not a jot if the other 50+ UEFA countries all declare no champions, Scotland will still declare the bheasts as Champions, just as sure as if it were reversed and 50+ UEFA countries declared Champions and we were 10 points clear our country's position would be null and void. It's all about the bheasts, and we are supposed to lie down and get our tummy tickled.

Barca have said they would give the proceeds from this to corona-virus charities, not for their own coffers.

I accept that mate, but what player is going to risk the wrath of the fans if they refuse? Perhaps one on the way out anyway I will admit, but for most who want a Rangers career at the end of this, they dont have much of an option. I dont think for one minute that the club will ever get to this stage, so its all hypothetical anyway.

So many classics come to mind its hard to pick just one! I'm only considering games I was actually at. Florence is right up there, dont recall being as emotional at any other game as that one, tims at the piggery in 99, Leeds at Ibrox 92, Dolly at Ibrox 91, tims 02 cup final, tims SF win on pens, helicopter sunday, Leverkusen away in 98, Porto away in 04, Lyon away in 07, Lisbon away in 08, Braga away this year was superb also. Probably forgotten another couple of dozen I have been to as well.

Let's be quite open about this, there is not a remote chance of a 50,000 strong Ibrox crowd watching a Rangers match this calendar year. Until such time as a vaccine can be found, mass-produced, distributed and found to be working, can we take the chance as a country of allowing such mass congregation of spectators to watch a sporting event. The best estimate of this happening is 12-18 months. So there might be football back on tv before then, but not with full house crowds. So as a football club, and a business, that gets most of its annual income from such crowds, then the sooner we cut our costs accordingly, the better the chance we have of survival. There is not one player, coach, manager or administrator that is worth our club going bust for. Our non-staff overheads are also enormous at our club, for ongoing maintenance, insurances, etc, and with nothing coming in, these have to be managed. I have yet to hear that by furloughing a player, that gives them any wriggle room in their contract to leave for free. Obviously if it turns out that this would allow the player to leave for free (i.e. breach of contract), then this wouldn't work, but as far as I am concerned, we should be putting every single non-playing, non-income generating, member of staff on furlough and not topping up their wages, or if we can afford to , top them up to a reasonable level that would allow them to live. As for players, slash all wages until such times as they can undertake their work again. A lot of our players aren't even in the country, but we are continuing to pay them in full (dont give me any tosh about deferrals, that merely adds a debt to be repaid down the line), despite them not being able to go to work or to earn their wages. Furlough them all, take the longer term view and safeguard our future. If it turns out that somehow a vaccine is found sooner, and we dont have this gap in our income for as long as I am predicting, then we an make it up to them and repay the wages they have lost, or at least some of them. But the safety and long-term future of the club has to be our Director's first and only concern at this time. Players will come and players will go, the club has to be kept safe to ensure it is still there for us to enjoy in the decades to come.

So why did he and his fellow chairmen vote for this in the first place? All too easy having a go once the deal is done. He should have had the balls to not only speak out before the vote, but to also vote this deal dead, and ensure his fellow chairmen also seen through this for what it was.

Ok so I’ve just caught up on 10 pages of this thread which I came on to read to see what our clubs official response to this corruption was going to be. Was it legal injunction, a further demand for an independent investigation, the evidence from the whistleblower, a demand for Dundee’s First vote to count per the rules, or something new. Imagine my complete and utter disgust and rage to read right through this and find we have said absolutely feckin nothing! Im just as disgusted with our own inaction as I am at the corruption and cheating going on elsewhere. I will need to seriously consider if I can put another penny in to the club if we fail to do anything about this. I’m off for a walk to calm down grrrr!!!!!!!

I understand they had to be cautious (but let’s be honest there is no way Doncaster or Lawell can sue anybody making accusations over this) and I don’t know how they managed to keep cool and professional when we can see clearly what is going on. They guys done really well.

Yes, I listened for the first time in ages while out for my walk last and was shouting out for them to just call this out for what it is, outright feckin corruption, all done at celtic's command by their placemen in the SPFL. I understand they cant do this for legal reasons but FFS just call it out! A vote, once cast, cannot be uncast. It is in the SPFL rules. So even if Dundee sent an email asking for it to be ignored, SPFL cannot by their own laws ignore it. It is cast. If the vote was a yes, the SPFL would not allow Dundee to reverse it. Rangers & Hearts (and Thistle and Edinburgh to a lesser extent) should be raising injunctions and legal actions against this blatant corruption. Doncaster & McKenzie MUST GO!!

I wonder if it comes complete with Sutton’s cheat claim interview too! See how much this rancid creature is hurting, it’s hilarious!

I see the bheasts have announced that their players and executives are all taking pay CUTS as well as further deferrals. Makes our token gesture of a deferral only look a little lame IMO. I hope our players look again at this.

The SPFL will concentrate on finding the whistleblower and punishing them, ignoring the central issue behind all this. Watch out for deflection tactics, rubbishing of our claims, not a hope in hell of suspensions of Lawwell's poodles, and the vote going through to ensure the bheasts get the title awarded them. If just one word of our statement is not 100% accurate, this is where the reply will concentrate. The Bheasts run the show, and no amount of pressure from us will be allowed, no matter how true and in the right we are. Oh I so much want to be wrong in this and some bheast heads roll, especially that rhat McKenzie who was the chief title-stripper in 2012 and was the one who screamed at McCoist during a room-full meeting of the head honchos in 2012 "you c*nts have been cheating us for years" Note use of US when he means celtic, not the SPFL, and not Harper McLeod, who he supposedly works for.

While I feel we are definitely on the right side of this, I also believe if we should have gone further and said that due to the exceptional circumstances, every club in Scotland gets an equal share of the total prize money, so we truly are all in this together. That would really harm the bheasts, it would impact on us as well, but it would definitely get the full support of every club outside the SPFL. Given the cash is heavily weighted at the very top, would a 42 way chop leave more than about 4 clubs getting less than the current set-up? It makes us look like we care about the smaller clubs in our country. If our players took a pay cut (not a deferment) we could afford the drop in prize money, and it would be a great gesture to other clubs. I would love to see the bheast mhedia try to paint that as a bad idea!

If they had agreed a wage cut, it would/should only be for such times as they are not able to work. As soon as they are back in full group training/playing they would go back to their full contract value. The players should be taking a hefty wage CUT for the duration of the period where they are unable to go to their work. A deferment is nowhere near good enough IMO. If it turned out that the club was not badly affected financially by this lockdown, i.e. we continue with the 19-20 season and fulfil our fixtures, then the players would get their wage cut back. But if the club is harmed financially by this lockdown and fixtures are not fulfilled, leading to reduced income streams, then the players should not be paid their full contract value, otherwise the club takes the full hit (when we know we cant afford it) and the players have contributed nothing to our predicament. I for one would not be very forgiving of them.

50% wage deferrals, so they are not dropping a single penny in wages, they will make it up at a later date. Yes it helps cash flow in the short term, but I really don’t see this as much of a sacrifice from very rich and well paid people. A 30% wage cut until this is over and full time training can restart would have been much better for our club in the bigger picture as it would actually reduce our biggest overhead significantly at a time where we have nothing coming in. All the deferral does is add to our debt. Good to see we will be using the furlough system as well and topping it up to full pay for our support staff throughout the club. We are not in a position like a lot of the clubs elsewhere that can afford not to use this.

Any player should have their wages capped during this outbreak at £3Kpw. The difference between that and their normal contracted wage will go to keep the club safe throughout this process. Every player should be able to live off £150Kpa, bearing in mind if they have been even the slightest bit responsible they will have significant savings put away, We are all in the normal world having to use savings to get us through this, why should the highest paid people in the country not have to? They are not being asked to go to the front line of the NHS, to take up jobs in supermarkets or voluntary work delivering essentials to pensioners and vulnerable people, they are merely being asked to live off less for a while, for the greater good. Rangers, Celtic & the entire top two leagues in England, should not be eligible for these handouts, for which we as taxpayers will be paying through the nose for, for many years to come through increased taxation. I will not be paying for a season ticket until I know we are not conceding the title to the bheasts. If we concede the title, (or meekly accept without fighting it legally), the SPFL giving them the title, I dont think I will be able to find it in myself to renew. Sporting Integrity must be delivered, where trophies must be won on the pitch in the timeframe announced at the beginning of the process. If the league cannot be completed by the end of May as is in the rules, it has to be declared null and void. I am happy to leave the remainder of my 19-20 ST money which I haven't had the games for yet with the club to see them through these troubled times. I dont want a refund to which I am entitled. But for the club to ask for more in all this uncertainty, and while they might allow the scum to be awarded a title they haven't won is, in my opinion, disgusting and a step too far. It is something Murray would have done, and would have been rightfully slaughtered for. I expected better of our current custodians.

Not a fan of Dolly FC at all, but that release from their chairman was very honest, with actual figures and showing how even a reasonably solvent, well run club, is going to be miles short of cash before we kick a ball in action again. However what we all need to realise is that businesses of all types, in all industries, are going through exactly the same problem, with a cash burn way in excess of anything they can bring in, and way in excess of anytihng even the most pessimistic forecast could have gotten close to. Football of course has pretty much its own employment rules due to competition rules, and that Aberdeen simply cannot just make all employees subject to this "furlough" system that is going to be used by most UK employers who are not supermarkets. Employee wages must be paid or face a points deduction, licence suspension, etc. Football must wake up and accept these are not normal times. Football players, their pathetic union, agents and all the others involved, need to accept there is a bigger picture. The furlough system will ensure that all players will get a maximum of £2500 per month, or 80% of their wage if less than that. Given that most small business owners, and small companies from all sectors, are having to go through this system and scrounge about for grants, business loans, mortgage holidays, just to get through this, I dont see why footballers, (who lets face it at the elite level should have plenty of savings put away to cover themselves anyway) should be treated any differently. Much bigger companies than Rangers, Aberdeen etc are having to use this system to get through this, the likes of McDonalds, Greggs, huge high street retailers, are all doing their best to get through this and will be placing thousands of workers on the furlough system, so the sooner we scrap the notion of football being a special case the better. We must also accept the reality that we will not be playing again in the next six months, so mothball the clubs, get all the staff onto the furlough system, and wake again ready to re-start the season either from scratch or where we left off only when it is safe to do so and we have buried the thousands who will have died including our families, friends, colleagues, neighbours. Frankly the media still talking about season 2019-20 make me sick. It's over, done, finished, incomplete. Get over it, and talk about how we can come together to help our elderly, vulnerable people get medical care, shopping etc instead. There is a whole messed-up world out there now, and it needs all of us to help where we can to control this. It sucks that we couldn't get to complete the greatest ever comeback in history and steal the title from our great rivals in even more glorious fashion than Helicopter Sunday, but we have to accept that is going to be denied to us all. It sucks we wont get to play in the 2020-21 Champions League. It sucks that we wont get to see Tav lift the 2020 UEFA Cup. But there are much bigger things going on in life just now than the coronavirus-scrapped football season. Lets all stay safe, healthy, and when this is all over we can then start talks about a pre-season for whatever can be done to get sport back into people's lives, but only when it is absolutely safe to do so, and that i'm afraid looks like a very long way away.

If Mr Robertson is not to be found wanting in this regard, it will be for the first time. I will believe it when I see it.

But Neil, the league is not at an end, i.e. finished, it is merely abandoned, i.e. unfinished. You are not Champions, you do not have an uncatchable lead in the league, and there is still a quarter of the league programme to play. Nothing is decided, so titles cannot be claimed. In the interests of sporting integrity, nothing can be awarded until the mathematics are conclusive. A significant lead is not a victory. If you need a reminder as to why that is the case, ask your fellow scum players from the 2004-05 season about how a substantial lead with some games left to play doesn't get you a medal. GIRFUY you utter scumbag!!!!!!

I must admit I am absolutely feckin delighted that all football has now been abandoned, as I have been calling for over the last week or so now. Pity it came 24 hours too late to prevent that tragedy last night. We must now ensure that no title is awarded. Our club must fight this all the way, legal if necessary. I can't see the season re-starting within the available timescale, and we must be leading the call for the season to be abandoned, just like 1939, with nothing awarded, and the 2020-21 season starts from scratch with the same teams in each league, when it is safe to do so, which may even have to be delayed to later than early August.

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