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So far. Murray was always going to stage a last minute deal. I just hope it's McGregor and not Mendes.

Slurp ... the propaganda war oozes on.

I agree completely. If we are seriously talking about Miller as a means of salvaging anything from this season then we're in much worse shape than I thought. Miller may be the least talented player to pass expensively through the Ibrox doors in many a day.

NAh, Jim is a fair man - equally crabbit in all directions. Levein has made it clear he sees Rangers as the source of all his ills.

No. it's just paying attention to detail and having excellent hearing.

Craig Levein accuses Fleck of cheating for the penalty then whines about energy levels after Wednesday night's game. Anyone surprised at the antics of this greetin-faced shite? Still want him as Rangers manager? Not for me.

No, it was said in the sure knowledge that it's a safe prediction.

Here's a prediction. Kenny Miller will always be utterly and completely useless.

OK I'm having some doubts now.

Chickenshit.:devil: I'll stick with 4-0

It's well known in Rangers cirlces that Scotzine is run by and (essentially) for tagues. The key man is a rabid Rangers-hater who likes to hoover ammunition from sites like this. In any event, this poster has already declared himself on here as a sellick supporter - you can view his previous posts for yourself. You can take the view that it's broad minded and mature to allow these people to occupy space here but there are few who declare themselves and, if they do you can be sure they also exist here under some other name. It's a safe enough assumption that they don't come here to engage in balanced debate. Without some degree of vigilance you end up with a FF situation with as many of our enemies lurking and posting as you have genuine bears. IMO quality is always preferrable to quantity. EDITED - No personal details to be posted please...

On yer bike and take your claptrap website with you. You're fooling no one around here. You don't allow articles by Rangers fans on your website. You reproduce ceratin articles and then use your comments facility to line up a familiar list of cockroaches to ridicule everything about that article. You then exercise an entirely predictable filter when it comes to allowing Rangers fans to defend their position. You game is so balatant that the only surprise is that you would even pretend to defend yourself on here. If it was up to me, your feet wouldn't touch the ground here.

It's because theu're so damned low on confidence and so reluctant to be proven wrong. It's time a Rangers manager told an interviewer that he was entirely indifferent about the opposition - any opposition. Can you imagine for a minute Jock Wallace or Graeme Souness bigging up the other team's chances? That's right - not a chance. But they were true Rangers men, not like the clowns we have today.

I actually think that's a very decent prediction today. I'll go along with it.

Never left it. I can spot the enemy sitting down.

And one of those two would almost certainly take up the Scotzine offer. I just feel that if he wants to approach those two fanzines then he should do so - not come here ingratiating himself with some pretence that he needs help making the contact. You have to remind these people they don't quite own the contry yet.

No, I don't care what you all say, I think were obliged to give a new man the benefit of the doubt.

This from Roddy Forsyth (I know, I know) in The Daily Telegraph - the heat is being turned up on Murray and his bullshit. David Murray is supervising a careful retreat over Rangers' ambitions. Rangers are still on course for a clean sweep of the domestic honours and have it in their own hands to overhaul Celtic for the Scottish Premier League title and an automatic and lucrative berth in the group stage of next season's Champions League. So why are so many Ibrox supporters so vocally fearful? The answer, quite simply, is the confusing mixture of actions and statements from the club chairman, Sir David Murray, over the course of a bleak month. Murray was in the headlines again this week, having provided his house journal, Rangers News, with a lengthy statement highlighting the virtues of prudent housekeeping, reduction of costs and the nurturing of new players. Since this was a rehash of his declarations at the start of the month in defence of Rangers' abortive attempt to sell top scorer, Kris Boyd, for a measly net gain of around Ã?£2.5 million, what was the point? In this case, look at the timing, not the substance. The transfer scene has been moribund since New Year, but it is a buyers' market and those with money to spend will drive hard bargains as Monday's deadline looms. Rangers have players who are surplus to requirements but, like Woolworth's stock in the latter days of that institution, what is on offer has been gathering dust for months. On the other hand, if Allan McGregor, Barry Ferguson and Boyd attract bids totalling Ã?£10-Ã?£11m this weekend, they will be off, no questions asked. Hence Murray's reiteration of his newfound commitment to an austerity regime in which – dread phrase – "youth is the future". Murray sarcastically observed: "I find it amazing that football scribes question my financial management." Well, a cat may look at a king and it requires no mastery of economics to see the contradictions in the Rangers' chairman's claim that defeat by Kaunas in the Champions League qualifiers had been "a disaster". When Murray plans Rangers' budget each year, he makes a prudent assumption of no European revenue beyond that of the first round of the Uefa Cup. So the difference between projected European income and this season's reality adds up to only two home games. Moreover, Kaunas knocked Rangers out of the Champions League qualifiers on Aug 5 – but after that Murray sanctioned the spending of Ã?£8.6m on Pedro Mendes, Steven Davis and Maurice Edu, in the full knowledge that there would be no further European income. The earlier summer acquisitions of Andrius Velicka, Kyle Lafferty, Kenny Miller and Madjid Bougherra cost Ã?£9.8m. Meanwhile, between January and September Rangers sold Alan Hutton (Ã?£9m), Carlos Cuellar (Ã?£7.8m) and Daniel Cousin (Ã?£1.5m). In total, then, expenditure in 2008 was Ã?£18.4m and income Ã?£18.3m – nothing there to petrify Mr Micawber. Plus the fact, the most recent accounts (to June 30, 2008) reported record turnover of Ã?£64.5m and a pre-tax profit of Ã?£8.3m. True, the overdraft was up to Ã?£21m and is now evidently around Ã?£25m – but debt never frightened Murray, except when he realised that he had allowed Dick Advocaat to become the Scottish football equivalent of Fred the Shred (and to much the same end). However, what does concern him is the health and morale of the other companies in the Murray Group. Murray's executives are famously discreet, but there have been mutinous mutterings about Rangers' place in the chairman's affections. Put simply, their feeling is that when he is asking them to sweat the companies for optimum revenue and profit in torrid trading conditions, the time and energy spent by Murray on Rangers is not only disproportionate, but unseemly. The attempt to get shot of Boyd may have shocked Rangers fans, but it had exactly the opposite effect within the Murray Group. And this is more than gesture politics. When Murray's father went bankrupt while he was in his teens, the future tycoon began his business career selling shirts to schoolmates. In that respect, he had a soul mate in Peter Cummings, who started in the Bank of Scotland at 17 by sweeping the floors and went on to be head of corporate banking at HBOS. But Cummings, a Glaswegian with a native sympathy for football, is one of the scapegoats for the HBOS debacle and lost his position in this month's takeover by Lloyds TSB. Under the new banking regime, there is no question of the benevolent attitude that allowed Murray to remedy Advocaat's excesses by buying up his own rights issue from other resources, as he did for Ã?£50m from Murray MHL Limited in 2004. All of which is a far cry from the bombast Murray once uttered about spending Ã?£2 for every Ã?£1 laid out by Celtic. Napoleon observed that an orderly withdrawal was worth a victory. Murray is supervising a careful retreat with the sensible aim of preserving his empire. Rangers fans, though, are not accustomed to occupying an outlying province. Nor, having been promised cakes and ale, do they have an appetite for powdered egg and Spam – and certainly not if Celtic should uncork the bubbly yet again this season.

I'm reading this wondering what aspect of that scumfest website your username is trying to advertise on here. Of course, you would know only too well that my description is entirely accurate, being a sellick man yourself. The local admin will make their own mind up about the value of sellick-minded famine-dodgers plying their trade on gersnet but perhaps it would do no harm to make sure our other members are aware just how anti-Rangers your Scotzine site has been and continues to be. It's not my website but for my money, mate, I wouldn't tolerate any association with Scotzine. If you choose to routinely ridicule and disparage Rangers and its fans then I suggest you have no place here - certainly not to overtly advertise that website. Back under the stone for you, I at least offer no welcome.

A good and worthy reminder Cammy F. You must be the "mischievious element" that the Great Deceiver was referring to the other day. If mischief is telling the truth that hurts then let's keep on doing it. There's nothing negative about that.

The secret is to start every post with "I love Jaffa cakes" and end it with "I'll buy six of your T-shirts." After all, style and money are important to some people.

Not a chance. Too far, too expensive, too unimportant, too midweek, too blatantly trying to patch the cock up at Kaunas which should never have happened. Screw them, I don't bail out duds.

We are delighted because we are ever so slightly off the hook after some appalling decisions recently. We are grateful to nacho Novo because he has spared us further embarrassment for the moment. We are off now to stick our tongue where the lamp in Minty's office don't shine.

No 1 has merit. Rangers News and Matchday Programme are unadulterated propaganda and shouldn't be considered alongside serious publications. They also involve spending money while Murray remains as chairman and majority shareholder, which I refuse to do. FF is .... well it's FF and I wouldn't put a string through it and hang it in an outside privvy. Don't know a thing about the Historian. Let's face it, the written media is often out of date before you get your hands on it and for general opinion, there are one or two websites where you can read some imaginitive and highly original articles.

Either you're indirectly besmirching David Murray's good name - or you're accusing me of being indecent. There might be merit in both.