Club confirm Lee Wallace and Kenny Miller suspended until further notice

[buster. 4,808]

It was the safest prediction of the weekend..........

 

Keith Jackson get's the inside slant on it from his man 'close to' the story, AGAIN.

 

 

"...........Word has it Miller and Wallace were spotted late at night in the team hotel before Sunday’s mismatch, locked in a stony-faced conversation about Murty’s tactical plan. It looked very much to those who witnessed this conversation as if they had unlocked some serious flaws in Murty’s orders. If so, they were hardly wrong............"

[JohnMc 2,482]

Tam McManus was on Radio Scotland last night. He claimed to know what he was talking about and said the issue was around Murty refusing to discuss the game in the dressing room straight after the match. Both Wallace and Miller wanted to and started to, this led to a stand off and harsh words. Make of that what you will. 

 

McManus told another story about a Hibs dressing room following a drubbing from Hearts where actual physical fights broke out between players and between management. As he said that sometimes happen when passions are high and tempers lost, but in the manner of boys in the school playground by the next day it's all sorted and everyone gets back on with things. 

 

Professional football has its rituals and one of those is the dressing room post match where strong words are spoken, criticisms aired and accusations made. The more I hear of this affair the more I feel Wallace and Miller were doing what they thought best. Whatever we think of him Murty has clearly 'lost the dressing room' and dispatching Miller and Wallace won't change that. The manager of Rangers needs to be the strongest personality in the building, that's not the case currently and until it is we're going to see issues like this arise. 

[der Berliner 3,273]

16 hours ago, Dragosani said:

Wallace played for hearts & miller played for hibs. Both of them were not Ranger supporters to begin with. its starting to sound  like scapegoating.

 

... and that does mean that e.g. Wallace hasn't been infected with the "blue virus" and cares for his club passionately? In any case, a certain respect needs to be adhered to, no matter what. Of that there is no doubt. One would expect that after such a game emotions run highly ... and in the cold light of day, while most points remain valid, people will come back and talk more sensible. We'll probably never know what was actually said, so can only speculate.

[buster. 4,808]

Re yesterdays meeting at Ibrox

 

Chris McLaughlin (BBC Scotland): "............a meeting that lasted around an hour and 20 minutes........"

 

The Sun: "Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace told by Rangers chiefs their Ibrox careers were doomed in meeting lasting TWO minutes......."

 

[Darthter 542]

11 hours ago, Waltersgotstyle said:

This is a strange post...

Not really....The club is currently being propped up by director investment......so what happens if many fans get their way & the Board walks????

It's all well & good to demand that King covers the shortfall, but ultimately can he or would he???

[Bluedell 5,350]

1 hour ago, JohnMc said:

Tam McManus was on Radio Scotland last night. He claimed to know what he was talking about and said the issue was around Murty refusing to discuss the game in the dressing room straight after the match. Both Wallace and Miller wanted to and started to, this led to a stand off and harsh words. Make of that what you will. 

 

McManus told another story about a Hibs dressing room following a drubbing from Hearts where actual physical fights broke out between players and between management. As he said that sometimes happen when passions are high and tempers lost, but in the manner of boys in the school playground by the next day it's all sorted and everyone gets back on with things. 

 

Professional football has its rituals and one of those is the dressing room post match where strong words are spoken, criticisms aired and accusations made. The more I hear of this affair the more I feel Wallace and Miller were doing what they thought best. Whatever we think of him Murty has clearly 'lost the dressing room' and dispatching Miller and Wallace won't change that. The manager of Rangers needs to be the strongest personality in the building, that's not the case currently and until it is we're going to see issues like this arise. 

Agreed, plus a lot of the players would be pissed off at the way that Halliday was treated. Fans may argue that he was having a bad game but the players will look on it as Murty humiliating their mate and be raging at it.

 

A post-match blow-up was required, and for Murty to avoid even discussing the game is negligent.

[der Berliner 3,273]

37 minutes ago, buster. said:

Re yesterdays meeting at Ibrox

 

Chris McLaughlin (BBC Scotland): "............a meeting that lasted around an hour and 20 minutes........"

 

The Sun: "Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace told by Rangers chiefs their Ibrox careers were doomed in meeting lasting TWO minutes......."

 

Always on the pulse he is, our BBC clown ...

[Darthter 542]

The bottom line in all of this is that Miller & Wallace over stepped a line, and as a result face disciplinary action.  Exactly the same as ANY other workplace.

Yes they are 2 long serving, Senior players but that doesn't give them free reign to do & say whatever they want.  Also, both have been previously linked to similar incidents in the past year.

 

I've seen a lot of posts over the past 24hrs, blindly supporting both players.  IMHO this is wrong.  The club cannot ignore a players behaviour simply because they have been there for a number of years, or because they stayed through the Admin period etc.  Also remember that neither player actually PLAYED in the game - Wallace wasn't even in the squad.  Also in recent month both players could only be classed as "Fringe" players - Miller is unable to hold down a regular spot (since his last suspension for over-stepping the mark), and Wallace has been injured since Sept, but has unable to get back into the team since his return to fitness.  On top of all this, we don't know exactly what went on.

 

It's also worth remembering that Employment law can be a right Royal pain in the backside, therefore any actions that are taken HAVE to be justified.  You can't simply just suspend an employee for the "fun" of it.  A case will have to be built via the investigation, that will get put in front of each player & their representatives (Union, Agent, Lawyer).  I would say it is rare that if an investigation isn't upheld, that the employee returns to their job & carries on as normal - it would make for a rather uncomfortable atmosphere.....yet Miller did just that only a few months ago!!!!  It's hard to believe that there wasn't some sort of ill feeling towards him (& Wallace possibly) within the dressing room.

[JohnMc 2,482]

36 minutes ago, Darthter said:

The bottom line in all of this is that Miller & Wallace over stepped a line, and as a result face disciplinary action.  Exactly the same as ANY other workplace.

Yes they are 2 long serving, Senior players but that doesn't give them free reign to do & say whatever they want.  Also, both have been previously linked to similar incidents in the past year.

 

I've seen a lot of posts over the past 24hrs, blindly supporting both players.  IMHO this is wrong.  The club cannot ignore a players behaviour simply because they have been there for a number of years, or because they stayed through the Admin period etc.  Also remember that neither player actually PLAYED in the game - Wallace wasn't even in the squad.  Also in recent month both players could only be classed as "Fringe" players - Miller is unable to hold down a regular spot (since his last suspension for over-stepping the mark), and Wallace has been injured since Sept, but has unable to get back into the team since his return to fitness.  On top of all this, we don't know exactly what went on.

 

It's also worth remembering that Employment law can be a right Royal pain in the backside, therefore any actions that are taken HAVE to be justified.  You can't simply just suspend an employee for the "fun" of it.  A case will have to be built via the investigation, that will get put in front of each player & their representatives (Union, Agent, Lawyer).  I would say it is rare that if an investigation isn't upheld, that the employee returns to their job & carries on as normal - it would make for a rather uncomfortable atmosphere.....yet Miller did just that only a few months ago!!!!  It's hard to believe that there wasn't some sort of ill feeling towards him (& Wallace possibly) within the dressing room.

I think you miss-read the dynamic of the dressing room. Miller and Wallace are not unpopular with the players, far from it, they speak for the players. 

This belief that you should keep your mouth shut if you disagree with something at work also puzzles me, particularly if you are in the right. If you are an experienced and able employee it is beholden on you to speak up when faced with management incompetence. There may well be consequences to face, but it doesn't change the fact it is the right thing to do. Whatever way we look at this the club and the team on the park aren't being managed well. The club captain in particular should be raising this and in the sanctity of the dressing room sounds like the perfect place to do it. 

[Darthter 542]

38 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

I think you miss-read the dynamic of the dressing room. Miller and Wallace are not unpopular with the players, far from it, they speak for the players. 

This belief that you should keep your mouth shut if you disagree with something at work also puzzles me, particularly if you are in the right. If you are an experienced and able employee it is beholden on you to speak up when faced with management incompetence. There may well be consequences to face, but it doesn't change the fact it is the right thing to do. Whatever way we look at this the club and the team on the park aren't being managed well. The club captain in particular should be raising this and in the sanctity of the dressing room sounds like the perfect place to do it. 

Totally agree....but there's different ways that it can be approached.  It would appear in this case that the wrong approach was taken.

While the players views may indeed be correct, as senior professionals, they should know how to handle it properly.  You wouldn't simply storm into your bosses office & start bawling yer head off (not saying this is exactly what happened).  Yes, the discussion may get headed, but any responsible, experienced employee would ALWAYS try to keep it professional & try to get their point across.