maineflyer

I did think of that briefly but didn't think it was my place to raise it. However, your proposal makes good sense to me and I'd certainly support it. What do other admin think?

I'm not sure it's my role to help the RST face the problems they refuse to address themselves. I've posted on many occasions that the only way forward for the RST is for all currently involved in running it to stand down and have fresh elections - no more co-opting, no more avoiding elections, no more closed doors, no more self-interest agendas, no more dishonest bullshit. I do want an effective RST and I genuinely believe that will NEVER be achieved by the current rabble dragging years of dirty laundry behind them. The longer the present situation continues, the less chance of Rangers fans ever having a credible voice. When you think about it, this is criticism worth making. The only surprise to me is that everyone who cares isn't doing it every day. Your silent compliance only keeps the monkeys in charge of the zoo.

so why not contribute about the specific project?

But surely it was your own RST colleagues who were doing most to discredit him and from whom he had to defend himself. That's the problem with an organization in continual conflict; long term inertia-dwellers like you increasingly find yourselves trying to defend all sides while they're at each others throat.

It would be equally useful if you could stop sending your RST trash to non members who want nothing to do with you.

I'm copying this from another website ... no apologies since I think this is an excellent rebuttal to the madness of the Scottish media......... Letââ?¬â?¢s get one thing straight here before I go any further. There is NO DEFENCE for what happened in Manchester in 2008. Those CCTV pictures were shocking and those involved are despicable human beings. With that out the way, Iââ?¬â?¢m now going to put up the defence for 99.9% of the Rangers support. The reason for this is because Man Utd v Rangers is fast approaching in the Champions League and the problems of 2008 are resurfacing along with other high profile issues involving Rangers? Certain media were quick to write about the ââ?¬Ë?rioting Rangers supportââ?¬â?¢ as soon as Rangers drew Man Utd; scaremongering at its worst. Some of the things that have been said and written about the Rangers travelling fans have been unfair. Is there a media agenda against the club? In my opinion the answer to that question is an overwhelming YES. I wonââ?¬â?¢t name names, but there are a few who are obsessed with all things Rangers and are just waiting for an excuse to put the boot in; is that fair? NO. Does the club do enough to defend itself and its real fans; I donââ?¬â?¢t think so. Much of the time the Rangers support find themselves spitting into a gale force wind in their battle against unfair treatment, as the club sits back and says or does very little. When you look back at the highly publicised incidents involving Rangers over the past four years, you really do have to worry about some of the reporting. I think you have to feel deep sympathy for the supporters who are being dragged down by a MINORITY. May 2006: Rangers were fined Ã?£13,300 for the conduct of their supporters during the Champions League tie with Villarreal. Rangers issued a statement saying: "Rangers Football Club is disappointed by the decision by Uefa's appeals body not to uphold the original verdict of the control and disciplinary body. ââ?¬Å?The appeals body concluded that Rangers fans were guilty of discriminatory chanting at both legs of the Champions League matches against Villarreal. The decision by Uefa should be seen as a strong warning to the MINORITY of supporters whose inappropriate behaviour brings the club into serious disrepute.ââ?¬Â May 2007: Rangers were fined Ã?£8,280 by Uefa for the behaviour of their fans during their match against Osasuna - but the Spanish club was ordered to pay Ã?£31,000. The control and disciplinary section of European football's governing body said there were ââ?¬Å?serious deficiencies in the organisation of the game,ââ?¬Â by Osasuna. Uefa's website stated: "Osasuna have been fined 45,000 Euros for serious deficiencies in the organisation of the game on 14 March, as well as for the improper conduct of their supporters. Rangers, meanwhile, have been ordered to pay 12,000 Euros for the latter offence involving visiting fans of the Scottish teamââ?¬â?¢Ã¢â?¬â?¢. As you can see, UEFA believed that Osasuna were ultimately responsible for those ugly scenes in the stands. The riot police were indiscriminately hitting Rangers fans with their batons. I'm not suggesting that all the Rangers fans that night were angels; again, a MINORITY didn't help the situation but the majority didn't deserve what came their way. The day after the game we had many fans turn up at the Real Radio studio to show us their injuries. Men, women, young and old were covered in cuts and bruises. It was a shocking sight and yet despite the overwhelming evidence of police brutality against Scottish football fans, very little was said about it; why? May 2008 Uefa Cup final: Communications Director William Gallard, confirmed Uefa is not planning to take any action against Rangers. "The overwhelming majority of fans behaved in the proper way. A very small MINORITY caused some trouble. In terms of disciplinary procedures we can only deal with what happens at the stadium or within the perimeter of the stadium." Walter Smith said: "I absolutely condemn this mindless MINORITY who have so shamed our country with their actions. Tens of thousands of people went to Manchester and behaved impeccably and were wonderful ambassadors for Rangers and Scotland." A SENIOR police figure has blamed Manchester council for the Uefa Cup final riot. Chris Burrows, Chairman of the Greater Manchester Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file bobbies, said the big screen showing the match in Piccadilly Gardens was deliberately switched off. Mr Burrows made his comments at the Federation's annual open meeting in the V&A hotel in Manchester. Asked by one officer who had been to blame for the Uefa cup 'fiasco', Mr Burrows said: "It was the local authority. I was listening to the (police) radio that night. That screen was switched off." No-one on the panel rebutted Mr Burrows' comments. August 2009: Sir Alex Ferguson, a former Rangers player, insists that the mass invasion of Rangers fans for the Uefa Cup final - which saw almost 200,000 head south of the border - will not be repeated; however, he is confident the game will not be marred by trouble. He said: "There were circumstances that day (Uefa Cup final) and I donââ?¬â?¢t think it was well organised." I was there in 2008 and I think Manchester City Council made a pigââ?¬â?¢s ear of it. To put it politely, in my opinion, the organisation of the Uefa Cup final was shambolic. Two weeks before the final I was on a Manchester radio station and happened to say that ââ?¬Å?you can expect anything from 150,000 to 250,000 fans to descend on the city centre.ââ?¬Â Manchester City Council and the police were given enough warning of what to expect, so I donââ?¬â?¢t buy their excuse that they didnââ?¬â?¢t see it coming. Serious questions have never been asked or answered by those responsible for the inadequate organisation of that night. For example; why was Heaton Park not used as a fan zone? In June 2009 the park welcomed 70,000 through the gates to see Oasis in concert. Why was Old Trafford not even considered? They could have charged a fiver and the fans would have been in a safe and controlled environment. The influx of people to Manchester resulted in there being no vacant hotel rooms in a 20 mile radius of the city centre and the total amount of money that was ploughed into the local economy was estimated to be more than Ã?£25 million. Could that be the answer to the above questions? The consequent media coverage of the ââ?¬Ë?riotââ?¬â?¢ was a real slap in the face to the tens of thousands of supporters who followed their team to Manchester from all over the globe. A tiny fraction spoiled a great day and certain media used it as a weapon to hammer the club and 99.9% of its supporters. Was that fair? I donââ?¬â?¢t think so. As I said, the CCTV pictures were horrific, disgraceful and shameful. You canââ?¬â?¢t defend those animals, but is it right to lump them in with everyone else; of course not. There are far too many people out there who were quick to condemn the Rangers support and the club. These same fans travelled all over Europe to watch their club in the Champions League and then the Uefa Cup. How many were arrested on the road in the 2007/2008 season before Manchester? Iââ?¬â?¢ll tell youââ?¬Â¦ NONE. ZILCH. ZERO. Yet some in our media failed to recognise this or look at the bigger picture of what actually happened that evening in Manchester. Some hoped Uefa would throw the book at the club; why? Send me your answers by email. November 2009: Rangers have been fined 20,000 Euros (Ã?£17,988) and been ordered to pay the cost of damage to the Steaua Stadium as a result of the improper conduct of their fans during the Champions League match against Unirea Urziceni in Romania last week. Television pictures from last Wednesday night's 1-1 Group G draw in Bucharest showed a number of visiting supporters clashing with Romanian police in the stands, while one fan was seen to rip out a seat. Unirea Urziceni have been fined 8,000 Euros (Ã?£7,195) for lack of organisation at the same match. Rangers Chief Executive Martin Bain had claimed the trouble was triggered by poor organisation at the Steaua Stadium and over-zealous policing. Bain's explanation for the crowd trouble was also backed by Superintendent Mike Dean of Strathclyde Police, who was helping to coordinate security at the ground. "We appreciate the fact that the Uefa match delegate said in his report that, apart from this incident, the behaviour of the majority of Rangers supporters in Bucharest was satisfactory. The club made strong representations to UEFA regarding the wholly unsatisfactory crowd management prior to the match and UEFA has addressed this. As we have made clear, this in no way excuses the violent behaviour a MINORITY of fans.ââ?¬Â There is one constant throughout all of the above incidents and you can clearly see it for yourselves in bold. I will finish by saying that Iââ?¬â?¢m no lover of Rangers or Celtic but that is purely down to me being a Hearts fan. I want to see them get beat every week in the SPL. That is all part and parcel of the football rivalry and banter that I love. Last season I found myself stuck on a train from Falkirk to Edinburgh with my son. We were heading to Tynecastle to watch Hearts play Rangers. I was surrounded by Rangers fans; the banter was top notch. They also tried to persuade my 8-year-old boy to swap his Hearts scarf for a Rangers scarf, it didnââ?¬â?¢t workââ?¬Â¦ thankfully. We then ended up walking from Haymarket to Gorgie with thousands of Rangers fans. At no point did I feel threatened or intimidated. They were a credit to the club. Itââ?¬â?¢s about time we all recognise and defend the good supporters. We should not allow a MINORITY of bampots to ruin the good name of any club or its support. At the end of the day theyââ?¬â?¢re Scottish football supporters and when those good men, women and children are getting dragged through the gutter, then itââ?¬â?¢s only right and proper to stand up for them. Iââ?¬â?¢ve defended Celtic supporters and their club when they found themselves in hot water with Uefa in recent years. Itââ?¬â?¢s the right thing to do. Itââ?¬â?¢s time we started to stand up for the real supporters, the good supporters, the life blood of our game because without them, the game I love is dead. The views in this article are of Ewen Cameron and not Real Radio.

I remember a time when Jambos and Dens men could be relied upon to stick up for us.... and vice versa.

''MD explained that the items were handed over to the current Board after last year’s resignations but upon investigation there appeared to be solid grounds for believing that the vast majority of the framed football shirts and photographs ostensibly signed by famous players were fakes'' That looks like a blade between the ribs to me, especially knowing that the ex board member in question had to threaten legal action, at which point there was a rather rapid and silent retreat on the part of the profiteer and his henchmen.

Thanks Frankie, it's been on my mind since I heard but I hadn't a clue how to go about it. I did think about a message or letter in one of the Danish newspapers, which I may well do yet.

I know you're right and you know I know you're right. One further question though - on whose wall are those 'fake' tops now hanging? How about PLG though, denying something that was set out by the RST itself to explain its own shortfall of funds? Sometimes the people associated with the RST are just beyond parody.

It's anything but nonsense I'm afraid and is there for anyone to see who cares to look. What on earth is the point of asking where rbr got his information from when it's already in the public domain - unless of course it's simply more fudge and deflection for the sake of it. PLG's automatic and baseless denials may fill a few square inches of forum space but they look increasingly desperate, disingenious and futile with every post. If I had so little to say, I think I'd long ago have stopped trying to say it.

Since you are only able to quote events that were contributed to be a wide range of sources and cannot actually support your nonsensical original statement, I think it's fair to conclude you're simply at it again. Really, you need to sharpen up your act if you're going to continue trying to defend the indefensible... something you haven't yet managed in any of your previous guises.

You must have 'missed' my last post, PLG. So I thought you'd appreciate if I repeated it. Wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to provide some facts to match your rhetoric

Seeing as how you're not really conducting another snow job on behalf of the greedy monster, tell the world how much money said site has raised for charitable causes?

I read elsewhere that Judge Andrew Blake is a product of Ampleforth College, a Benedictine-run and pre-eminent roman catholic school. He wouldn't have had a personal axe to grind where Rangers are concerned ... would he? Might that go some way to explaining the ridiculous sentences handed out and the highly emotive language used in the process by this pious prikk.

We live in a country largely addicted to ignorance and boorish attitudes, twin attributes that both explain and stem from a profound lack of self-respect. The cringeworthy behaviour at Hampden last night was as obnoxious as it was predictable. Wankers.

Actually, it has always been as bad as it is now. The apologist may not look in the mirror too often and may not think criticism is worth commenting on but the truth is out there and too many people now see through the RST game for what it actually is. I look forward to aseeing this so-called freely available promotion being sent to ALL Rangers websites, including the one that cannot be mentioned on FF, on pain of automatic banning. Some chance!

The RST couldn't afford it ... unless they sell those 'fake' signed shirts perhaps???

So why is this being publicised on FF and not all Rangers forums ... or just simply on the RST website alone. He says no one will make money but of course every hit on FF is about making money for an individual who uses an overt and controlling influence over the (our) RST in order to bolster a profit-making website. The RST is effectively being used for the benefit of an individual and that's unacceptable. Why draw attention to this? Because this incestuous, debilitating, hypocritical and divisive relationship between the RST and FF is at the root of the RST's failure to function on behalf of all. It might require some effort to look beyond the protestations of innocent goodwill but it's an edifying and worthwhile task. Take a second look at exactly who "spouting rubbish". Gullibility is no excuse.

And right on cue comes the predictable apologist for the pocket-liner whose image must be defended by all who depend on him. I don't believe anyone actually criticized any individual contributors to the book but you have to wonder at the motives of an RST whose activities now focus on association with books rather than the stagnation of the club. The only show in town seems to have finally closed it's doors and abandoned all pretence at being a supporters trust. Muppets.

Made up my mind about what? You asked what people thought of him, not whether we had made up our minds about him, whatever that might mean. I've seen too many players condemned by Xmas only to go on to make a major contribution to the season.... and vice versa. We're always so quick to judge - which, with the exception of Kenny Miller, is seldom justified.

Always best to judge the winners at the finishing line rather than when to gun is being fired.

You can if you're a self-serving scrote, utterly without scouples or a single vestige of honour, to whom status amongst the rabble and packing away as much money as possible are the only true beliefs you'll ever hold. Scum from cradle to grave.

He said: ââ?¬Å?Last time Rangers fans came to Wigan they were absolutely brilliant and werenââ?¬â?¢t an ounce of trouble. Iââ?¬â?¢ve no concerns at about their behaviour. Can he possibly be speaking about the very same people who "blitzed" Manchester only 2 years ago? Surely not.

Can't begin to say how sore this news is. A hell of a lot of bears will be thinking of you tonight Brian. You beat everyone else they put in front of you and you'll beat this too.