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Well, I believe we will have to do just that in any case because Walter will soon be gone.

I can only assume Walter is benefiting from the sympathy vote. Why are so many afraid to go forward? It's hardly like we're in a good place right now, is it?

You'll see, after Murray things will start to get slowly better. Three years from now we'll be in much better shape, so long as Murray goes now. Optimistic Loyal.

I could look on it in a different light without having to try very hard. This could actually be seen as the start of the mend at Rangers. Murray gone and almost guaranteed to soon be departed. A sale of the club actually on the agenda as opposed to the make-believe nonsense of recent years. Martin Bain to be replaced in a couple of months. New team management almost certainly on the horizon. The wider support starting to wake up to our true situation and how it arose, altogether now - blinkers off. A long way from finding a cure and strengthening the team on the park but at least we may have seen the main culprit rooted out and the rot stopped.

Too late for damage limitation, everyone knows what was being sung. It's all Owlbinman's fault.

Maybe this is actually the best place to be then?

Who among you was responsible for starting The Billy Boys at yesterday's game. It was like old times there for a while. Seems there's no shortage of people prepared to sing it either - bang goes another myth.:D:D

If you're not scared by what's going on then you need to be.

Surely we've lived with a fudge for years now and if the current situation isn't a fudge then I obviously don't know what a fudge looks like. And, in the middle of the most uncertainty even Rangers fans have seen in a long time, what is this finality you speak about - because no one else seems to be able to see it. Just curious.

I think it's very important to make the distinction between wanting Smith out of the manager's office and having no respect for him. I certainly don't think he's the man to take us forward but at the same time I do respect his allegiance and service to the club. Who could do otherwise? I also have to say that when I listened to his interview after the Hibs game yesterday, I felt his pain and frustration with the present situation. I also couldn't help thinking that he's been too close to Murray to see clearly or surely he would have seen this day coming long ago. He certainly seems to see it clearly enough now.

I hate to say it Gribz but we might have far bigger problems on our hands than the management team. If we don't find a buyer in the next days or weeks, there may not be a Rangers as we know currently it. That aside, of course you're right.

Of course it's a dig at those fans. The ones who couldn't or wouldn't see where we were heading and blindly put their trust in liar liar. The ones who kept him in make-believe land for much longer than should ever have been allowed.

You're right, I didn't put it well at all. The rumour is that there could be a very significant business casualty in the near future, one largely based in Edinburgh but with certain interests in Glasgow, unless significant steps are taken to address debt. The bank it seems is saying that if David Murray doesn't find a buyer for rangers within the week that they will find one for him and Muir is there at the bank's behest to ensure a smooth dislocation. Muir is not directly a bank man and has worked closely with the Murray empire already. However, he is not a Murray employee or director and is almost certainly a bank appointee who has the advantage of an intimate knowledge of the Murray group structure. Of course, this may well be the bank exerting leverage on a deal that Murray has been stalling on for some time. It could also be that the hammer is about to come down on the captain of industry himself and the bank is already proceeding to limit their liabilities by forcing peripheral deals where these seem possible. There is absolutely no guarantee that any deal done in this climate will be done in the best interests of Rangers however. Who remembers the blowhard's words about only selling to a buyer he considers 'suitable' - which of course was always just a crock of shite from the biggest scheister this site of sun. He's really looking out for us now eh? It's obviously in the bank's interests to see a deal done asap but unless some new buyer emerges in the meantime, it's unlike to be a deal that leaves Rangers in anything but a very perilous state. Pigeons are coming home to roost folks.

If Muir is causing 'trouble', he's doing it in the interests of MIH, not the bank. If the bank is causing trouble, it is doing so to Sir Murray. Rangers are simply collateral damage in a rather bigger game. This my friends is payback time for all those times when so many fans put their trust in David Murray.

As of this minute there is nothing registered at Companies House to say any bank has a seat on the board of Rangers Football Club plc. The bank may have been "invited" to observe part of Rangers board meetings but the bank has no one "on" the board. That, as they say, is a fact.

I've been saying for well over a year that the club was collapsing and the regime on its last legs. Pardon me while I blow this trumpet and check back to see who said it was bullshit.

I really don't know how to respond to that.

http://forum.hsv.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=30047 For some background reading - from the HSV website.

In fact, t's much worse than that. He's almost entirely a media creation. You know, the token studio expert who can string a few words together but is actually no better that anyone they might have hauled out of the pub and slapped some makeup on. Pat Nevin is probably the best example of the species, a whining wee shite who has seriously been described as the thinking man's pundit. FFS, what kind of moronic bastards does it take to come up with that shite ........... oh that's right, BBC Scotland. Nevin comes from the same stable of poseurs as our old mucker Graham Spiers, who has build an entire reputation on scanning the OED for words of more than nine letters. Scottish sports editors are very easily impressed ...... or culd it be that they simply have an unspoken agenda and need to fit their commentators to suit their needs? If this seems harsh, I urge anyone to look at the facts of Levein's record. The man has achieved the square root of fark all at any of his clubs. After years in the job, which heights has he taken the great Dundee Utd to? Doesn't actually stack up, does it. And some people would have this fraud at Ibrox as the man to re-build one of the great clubs of the world?

It's because we are actually being farmed, like cattle. Seriously, we no longer live our own lives, the state has decided it will live them for us. This is what you will feel good about, this is what you will dislike, this set of catch-all values will see you through life and ensure you don't make waves sufficiently high to trouble the state. You're quite right about the total erosion of freedoms at football matches. Like the rest of life, you are told when to sit, when you can stand, which door to enter by, which seat to sit in, all the while monitored by the pseudo-police in their dayglow responsibleness. You're told what to sing - the wee blue book for fuxx sake, can anyone see it as anything but a total fukking insult - what not to sing, what flag not to wave, and you're bombarded with megadecibels to ensure you don't sing at inappropriate times - and then you're told to fukk off out of it at the end. And once a year some cheeky bastard has the gall to ask you for a wedge of your money so that you can be shepherded all over again next year. Sometimes, we need to set aside our bag of pre-packed morals and tell the world to fukk off or it's getting a really severe kicking. Just stop and think about the absurdity of self-policing the equally absurd decision not to sing TBB. How cowed and massaged does your mind really have to be before you meekly accept that shite...... more than accept it, promote it. So Owlbinman, apart from you getting it completely arse-about-tit with Scotland and Ulster, you're not actually alone. We need to gather together the few remaining semi-independent souls before the shutters finally come down and we'll all go on one last spree of spontaneity. Then the lights will all be turned off. What do you think?

TBH, I'm sick of the endless platitudes in the press and on TV from everyone at Ibrox. Talk less Walter, do more. Like the players you mostly brought to the club, you need judge yourself on results and act accordingly. Walter has had a long time since Tuesday to come up with that meaningless twaddle and long enough back at the club to be delivering a lot better than he is. I think he should have resigned after the Unirea game in acknowledgement of his failure. Better men than him have done it but I guess Rangers are just about soldiering on these days.

I honestly don't think Weir has the pace to play in a back three.

I think you'll find there's absolutely no difficulty raising whatever money it takes to erect an appropriate memorial, with or without any or all Rangers supporters websites.

You'd certainly think so but every post on the subject mentioning VB has immediately been chopped so far.

You've no idea mate ..... no mention of VB lasts more than a minute on FF, regardless of context, usually accompanied by an unexplained life ban. There seems to be no such censorship in the other direction so I guess it's not difficult to see where the prejudice lies. A shame that a website with such a large membership should put petty squabbles before the Rangers cause.