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I don't think the players are doing it for the manager or for each other. Most of them look clueless and half hearted and I think many have lost confidence. There are huge problems in that dressing room.

Late into the thread but Saturday was one of the most depressing games Ive seen in a long time - thankfully I had had a night out previously and hair of the dog softened the watching. Playing Dundee Utd was always one of my favourite fixtures. What has happened to the positive Scottish Cup Final in May - we were robbed and after that game I was thinking we have a right chance of the league playing like we did that day. I think Clement thinks we are in Belgium and he is driving down the motorway on the wrong side of the road! I think Rousseau posted the manager stats a week or so ago and forgot to reply - after reading them I wondered if we sacked Gio too soon - If I could see them again Im sure it showed Gio never got a full season in charge yet we were a crocked loan player missed pen away from winning Europe's second prize. I got contact from my childhood best mate who Ive not spoke to for 18 years but he still has a ST - his view was simple - Clement is PLG 2.0 and its not a view Ive heard before but has some certain merit. The only saving grace at the moment is we seem to be a different team in Europe and are still in a good position. But the SPL is over for another year. I think Aberdeen's bubble has burst a bit but we dont look like we can get going to catch them.

Apparently, I've been a ned from the early 80s, just in different guises.

Well, going by the Stone Island and Burberry gear, a man with a foot in the present, and the 90s ned culture. 😉

Bondage trousers, now xG stats. Truly a man of his time.

because this is Rangers and we do things our way

Captain Picard would never have stooped so low as to interfere in his crew's duties.

Damn! AI images are scary good now...

I think that's stupid. #StewartOut

Why would the CEO be signing players? We've got a Director of Recruitment.

Many players lack self confidence. I wonder how many actually want to become confident. The team needs a Shearer, a Greig or a Gough, even a Lee Wallace to drive them on

You have opened a can of worms.

No

As I posted in the other thread the other day, Koppen is pointless if the same guys who scouted Rabbi Matondo and Ben Davies are still scouting and recommending players, he needs to weed these Stevie Wonder scouts out.

Nilgurn Kloppen?

A CEO getting involved with scouting and transfers.

Rangers...?!

What odds would you have got for a draw on the 74th minute!! There are some big teams with a lot of work to do in the final 3/4 games of the "league" stage. I think with this type of league teams thought its a marathon not a sprint but that is all wrong.

If I had a say ... a "defensive" line-up for this game Butland Sterling - Souttar - Balogun Barron Cerny - Raskin - Bajrami - Jefte Dessers - Igamane Barron to support the three main defenders, Cerny more a winger, Jefte a wingback. Raskin the creative-pressing player in midfield just ahead of Barron, Bajrami the playmaker, both strikers do the press and attack as often as possible. If Sterling or Balogun moves forward, we still have two CDs (as per usual), plus Barron and/or Raskin.

Referee - Ricardo de Burgos (ESP) Assistants - Iker de Francisco (ESP) and Alfredo Rodriguez Moreno (ESP) Fourth Official - José Luis Munuera (ESP) Video Assistant Referee - Guillermo Cuadra (ESP) Assistant Video Assistant Referee - Alexander Hernandez (ESP) Missing - Ianis Hagi & Danilo (not in EL squad); Robbie Matondo (muscle), Oscar Cortés (muscle), Tom Lawrence (thigh), Neraysho Kasanwirjo (knee), Zak Lovelace (injured in B team game) Live on - TNT Sports 3, RTL+, and Rangers TV Europa League Squad

Young Barron has drive in him I’ve said before he should be captain the rest should be walking the plank .

I have opened his eyes to the future, to truth!

No, but apparently it's 'hip' - it is an insult, although Cammy hasn't meant it that way - to use data to provide evidence for what you see. Your eyes can deceive you.

B-Team beat Clyde 3-1 in Galsgow Cup. Lovelace off injured in 1st half and Curtis scored again.

I'll revert to type soon enough

Lovelace injured again playing for B-team

Hey, I can be a hipster as well

Can’t see us getting anywhere playing the way we line up at present it’s absolutely dire so even the manager must have realized this so why doesn’t he shift his players about a little like tryout a solid 442 formation or a 433 formation if he keeps it the way it is then we are well and truly stuffed.

I hope to be at the match but will not be joining the demo. What are the organisers actually wanting? A change of the major shareholders? A change in manager? or something else? Is the intention to boycott the game or to then take the demo into the stadium? If there is a boycott, it may make for a sparse and quiet Ibrox. Those who shout the most do not necessarily speak for the majority.

Not to excuse it but it's worth remembering we're not the only football club struggling financially. Dundee Utd posted a loss of nearly £3 million earlier this year, Hibs nearly £4 million, Hearts lost £1.2 million and Aberdeen, despite some remarkable spin in the media, lost nearly £900k. St Johnstone lost well over £1 million, Dundee lost nearly £3 million, Motherwell are late to publish this year but lost over £1.5 million last year and Ross County lost half a million. Only St Mirren, more or less, broke even. In Belgium the Champions, Antwerp, lost around £40 million, indeed only 6 clubs in total out of their top two divisions didn't make a loss. Ajax lost 13 million Euros last year, PSV and Feyenoord also posted multi million Euro losses. In the Republic Of Ireland, where their domestic league is enjoying a renaissance with record attendances and clubs reaching European group stages, every single club in their top league made a financial loss last year. You don't have to look far in England to find clubs haemorrhaging money, despite access to TV and sponsorship revenues we can only dream about. Spanish football is a basket case with some of its biggest clubs carrying debt that would frighten a small country. Professional football in Europe, despite never being better funded, is in a perilous state financially. Clubs (and many of their supporters) take pride in finding loop holes in regulations designed to protect them rather than accept financial downsizing far less simply living within their means. As difficult as this is to type, Celtic are not only consistently well run, they are also very much the exception. We could be profitable. Everyone knows that means we need to find, develop and sell players every season and that is easier said than done. For every Nathan Paterson there's an Adam Devine, for every Joe Aribo there's a Todd Cantwell. Why some players succeed and some don't is one of life's mysteries. There is no excusing our form currently. We're not playing well, we don't score goals, we don't even entertain. We should be better than we are with the money we do have. I remain in the camp that's not convinced changing our manager, again, is the answer. We keep trying that and it doesn't seem to work. Perhaps some stability will pay better dividends long term. A new CEO and Chairman should provide that, although who knows, clearly firing Clement will make a lot of supporters happy and take the heat off the board and buy everyone a few months grace. We're addicted to short term returns, so nothing would surprise me.

Paul Sturrock had a unique approach to management at Southampton. "I sent two players on to a fourth-storey roof to do some slating," he said. "We tried to get players down a pit but they wouldn't go because there was this small cavern they had to crawl through. When I was in Scotland I took my YTS people to a building site one day and slapped them in for an eight-hour shift. It made them appreciative they were in an easy life. I think there are a lot of current squad that could do with a reality check .

He’s not going to downgrade to Scottish football

In hindsight, I'd agree with this. I'd also say he didn't get the credit he deserved for getting us to the EL final. When you look at the teams we defeated to get there, it was an absolute incredible achievement. I'd say that even some Rangers fans play this down for some reason. Maybe it's because we lost to the "weakest" team we faced in the later stages of the competition. We should have won the EL - if we had a fit striker (either Roofe or Morelos), we'd have won it IMO.

GvB didn’t deserve the sack IMO. He wasn’t given funds to rebuild after we sold players. Incredibly though the board did give funds to the rookie Beale

You take their record in full, or full seasons; you don't just pick a random number to suite your argument. Did you know Warburton is better than Guardiola? Warburton's last 5 games - W2, D1, L2 Guardiola's last 5 games - 0W, 0D, 5L. Bring him home.

What about the ones that identified and recommend the likes of Propper and Igamane?

Just a quick point in recruitment, if the scouts that identified and recommended the likes of Davies and Matondo are still at the club and involved in recruitment then we will have the same recruitment problems regardless of who is DOF or 1st team manager.

No worries DA, I should have made it clearer. You said that "the steel was always touch and go". It makes the supposed surprise and lack of stadium contingency all the worse. Scary bad executive management.