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I presume Souttar will replace Souttar. Its a shame for Souttar because Souttar has been good. But Souttar is better than Souttar so it would be good to get Souttar, and Souttar can be back-up to Souttar. Or, Souttar can play beside Souttar.

It was an Ultra display, not a history lesson, FFS.

You are specifically chosen by an elder (22 years old) who will see a vision in mystical blue smoke inside a Buckfast bottle. A manilla envelope will then be slid under your door by a young man wearing a black balaclava. Alternatively you can apply via their Facebook page.

The William Poole thing is most complicated but the usual suspects in new, modern Scotland reduce it down to anti-catholicism. It is the 1840s on the north east coast of the USA. The great famine is happening in Ireland and on the northern west coast of Scotland but, other tragedies are occurring ie the pogroms in Eastern Europe and the beginning of the end of slavery in the south of the States. Tremendous mobility of labour concluded at the entry point to the USA, New York. Irish, Jews and, Blacks arrived in increasing numbers and lowered the price of labour. Those born and bred in New York attempted to ring fence jobs and opportunities. I am NOT agreeing with this or the methods chosen to effect the decision, I am explaining the facts. During the 1840s in New York, Tammany Hall was in full swing. William Poole and his ilk felt they had no recourse, they advocated protective collectives and fought those they perceived to be undermining their standard of lives. I suspect those responsible for Tuesday night's TIFO feel similar(I mean the decision makers) and, have decided to lionise Bill the Butcher. Martin Scorsese's film was an over romanticised version of Poole's life, as John Mc says, he perished at the hands of one of his adversaries. As a retired chap, the one aspect of Poole's life I find attractive is he was the founder of, 'the Know Nothing' political party. Shelby Foote does a pretty convincing critique on Poole's political activism being one of the enablers leading to the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860. I find our current crop of professional politicians to be deeply unattractive, particularly here in Scotland. They have few if any principles other than narcism and maintaining their snout in the flowing trough. Nihilism can be just as attractive as nationalism but, just as wrong. The usual suspects clap their hands to gain attention then identify their preferred bad guys. The events of nearly 200 years past in another continent are revised to suit their agenda. I have posted on another thread that the TIFO was clever because it upset those that find William Poole's actual life to be inconvenient. Today is the anniversary of the St Bartholomew's Day massacre, modern day estimates say between 10,000-30,000 Huguenots were murdered in a single day in late 16th century France. Now, that is really inconvenient and maybe should be a consideration for the next TIFO?

Of a fictional character. People are looking far too deep into it. It was a made up person in a film. The seethe over this is yet again OTT.

If he supports Celtic then he will already know everything about our finances.

Very reliable guy. Winter, spring, summer or fall, all you have to do is call.

Exactly. It was an Ultra display, depicting a film character, at a football match. Next time it'll be Freddy Krueger, Pinhead or maybe even Jack Torrance - who gives a f*ck.

William Poole (Bill The Butcher) was of course killed by his actual Irish immigrant adversary in real life and also his fictional one in the Gangs Of New York film. Daniel Day Lewis is of Anglo-Irish background, his grandfather was a Church of Ireland minister who had pretensions to aristocracy apparently. I didn't see the game so I've only seen pictures of the display. It's visually spectacular, there's a ton of work goes into creating something like that, it's really very impressive. I won't pretend to understand ultra culture, I'm too old now. For obvious reasons he wouldn't have been my first choice of character for the banner, but then I don't think it's aimed at me. I'm not sure why they have that Andy Capp type character either. Is that open razors on the banner? Many young men seem drawn top these type of characters, the popularity of Peeky Blinders is another example of the romanticising of violent thuggery society seems to enjoy. The 'nativi' thing the Milan fans use a slightly more political point, regarding 'natives' and immigrants. I'd be pretty uncomfortable if the Union Bears went down that road.

I have it on good authority that UBs are aware their display upset Scottish Nationalists, Yahoos, The Daily Record etc. and are happy about it. Expect more of the same, thanks to threads like this. 😀

Instant image of 26th OF riffling through packed filing cabinets looking for his "dossier"...🤣🤣🤣

RANGERS are today pleased to confirm the appointment of James Taylor as the club’s Chief Finance Officer from September 1. https://www.rangers.co.uk/Article/rangers-appoint-james-taylor-as-chief-finance-officer/3BcmlGFIMGAg19K8tLaP2p

The character in the film was based on Poole but changed for the movie and the character was called bill cutter. A character created by an Italian American catholic and portrayed but an Irish Anglo actor. Its a bit like getting mad at the dinosaurs in jurassic park for eating humans. It was just a film.

Just received this so thought I'd share as not seen anything official. "Harry Souttar on-loan all but done apparently". Don't shoot the messanger

Fixed that for you 😗

Pinhead would be appropriate after this thread. It has been an exquisite combination of pleasure and pain to read.

I don't think he's a fan, is he? I mean I'm sure he wants us to win currently, but I doubt he'd much interest in us prior to this.

There's obviously been a lot of speculation about the alleged £1m compensation/cancellation fee that we have received for not buying Tillman. I was just listening to Davie Edgar on today's Daily Update and he described it differently, and I hadn't heard this take before. We indicated that we wanted to buy him and Bayern immediately activated the buy-back clause that they had built in so effectively we got the difference, which was around £1m. This makes sense and it probably a more realistic take on what happened. In addition, there is a sell-on fee so we would get a percentage of the €14m(?) fee that PSV have agreed with Bayern.

Yeah, very low risk.

Could have been, absolutely. Just found it interesting the Dutch journos have said nothing, the manager dismissed it and none of their players have complained. Compare that to the usual reaction to something similar domestically and it becomes headline news for a fortnight.

Well, you cannae wear a jaiket wi’ a jerkin but apart from that, he’s impressive. On the subject of impressive, I assume the foreign journos were Dutch. Can you imagine oor boys from PQ and the Record doing that next week in Dutch? Me neither. In fact, if they could do it in English it would be a step up.

That certainly wasn't the criteria for becoming a member of The Blue Order. All it took as a "firm handshake, being able to recite the complete poetry works of Edgar Allan Poe then a couple of X-Factor type auditions. From what I can remember I became a member of TBO after reading an advert either in one of the fanzines or on-line about the creation of a singing section. Applied and got a seat move to Broomie Front. IIRC The Union Bears were created as an off-shoot of TBO as they wanted to take the group in a different direction and moved to Copland Rear. A few years later both groups moved to BF1 (I stayed in BF4), the UBs basically took over. There are still a few of TBO guys sitting back in the original section in BF4 and TBO banner(s) make sporadic appearances.

A group of fans have made a banner that uses more energy making a statement about being anti-Irish than being pro Rangers. It suggests they think about Celtic a lot. I prefer to simply bloody ignore them.

Look at what pyros did to that poor lad's head!

The more I read and listen to about Rangers this season, it seems some fans are expecting us to play the perfect game of football every time we enter the pitch. A lot of fans have been quick to crucify Beale about his failings this season but I've not seen many lining up to give him praise for the way played last night and how we used our subs.

During the first half of a Hibs v Aston Villa commentary, Liam McLeod has mentioned Rangers on seven separate occasions. The 2016 Scottish Cup final has had two mentions. Once because McGinn, Hanlon and, Stevenson all played in the game, the other because the final is Easter Road fokelore. Another two mentions for Rangers - Liverpool in last season's Champions League. Once to emphasise the apprehension SPFL Premiership sides have taking on English Premiership clubs. The other as a warning what English clubs can do, the word utilised was, "humiliation". Liam then mentioned two Villa players, he witnessed Diaby score against Rangers for Leverkusen; then he pipes up on seeing Bailey do similar. Finally, last night's Ibrox fixture against PSV was raised by Liam, "many thought Dessers was offside in the build up to Rangers second, the new quick VAR decision suggested only the player's arm was offside". Of course, Liam omitted the big Rangers against Villa story, the 1887 FA Cup semi-final which the Birmingham side won 3-1. Maybe Liam will squeeze it in during the second half?

Ross Wilson. Genius.

Couple of guys on FF got the same message. Time will tell. Would be an outstanding signing, even on loan.

He wasn't a fictional character, William 'Bill The Butcher' Poole was an actual person and a New York gang leader. It was Daniel Day Lewis's image they used from the Scorcese film, but to be fair they'd be hard pushed to find a photo of the real guy, and if they had we'd have spent 5 pages of this thread wondering who the hell was the guy on the UB banner.

Is there any other kind of authority?

Richard Winton is a Dundee Utd fan, he's been a jobbing journo in Scotland for a while. He was deputy at the Herald I think, but then everyone gets that gig eventually.

Has this appointment been approved by the KSA(Kerrydale Services Authority)? Has Phil McFournames completed his due diligence through the auspices of, 'Rugger Chap'? We need to know before the usual suspects in both print and broadcast media tell us the real truth behind this appointment.

Did the Bill the Butcher banner get under your skin? 😀

Yeah it was Sir and a couple of other guys (Del, Richard etc). The Broomie Collective is just a group of fans who help out The UBs and don't necessarily sit in the section.

Notice none of the dutch journos asked about Cantwell being sent off, but that walloper from Sky couldn't wait to ask about it..

Yes it was Sie L. Donated materials a couple of times back in the day.

Nah, Falkirk and of I'm honest I'd rather be from Argentina than Falkirk....

Agreed. I'm not an expert but Bill the Butcher was a nativist (see the Milan group using the same word meaning) who was intent on protecting the interests of native-born or 'established inhabitants' against those of immigrants, in this case Irish catholics during the great famine, but I think that's largely incidental. However, it could have been used by Milan Ultras (I don't know) to demonstrate their status as the true natives of Milan, since they were founded before their rivals. Think it shows great creativity and intimidation by a group that self-find these great Tifos and displays, and should be allowed to create what they like within the law. What do that other mob do? Childish effigies and offensive and unlawful banners. Glad we don't stoop so low.

That little tyke really needs to be called to order. His disgraceful written piece on website before the game was akin to a PSV blogger. His anti Rangers bias on TV commentary against Servette was loaded with reminders on how bad our last seasons CL group games broke all records. He also had the temerity to include Celtic when referring to Scottish club co - efficiency improvements! (wtf?) I'm sick of the number of times in commentary he mentions the 2016 cup final when Hibs are involved. Also, I noticed a new name in this mornings BBC Sports website. A guy called Richard Winton wrote a piece Rabbi Matondo turning the tables for Rangers and himself. Unlike most of the bigoted anti Gers bile produced by PQ, it was reasonably factual article free from their usual bias. Any info on him @26th of foot ?

Has there ever been a banner that inspires the players?

Damn but this positivity is potent stuff 👍

A Jack replacement should have been a priority this summer. It’s a weak position.

Ermm, no I didn't mean that. I agree with SBG, it's likely he will further invest and wants a set on the board to ensure there's an ROI down the road. He's not a fan and therefore that will be his #1 concern. On the other hand, if it's a sign of a takeover, I'd be surprised but it's something that could be good for the club. I think the current shareholders/board have taken the club as far as they can.