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Obviously a lot of quite young supporters on here, like Compo, who might not realise that this is the third time Lyon have beaten us, fairly easily, at home. For us old timers this is something we've seen before, sometimes a European side turns up at Ibrox and is simply quicker, stronger and more skilful over the 90 minutes. Unless you're about 12 years old then this isn't the worst Rangers team you've seen. Last night, as against Celtic and as against Dynamo Kiev, our biggest problem remains our inability to convert our chances. Our team simply doesn't have enough goals in it. Lawrence is contributing now, Dessers will score some, but the rest of our team simply aren't. The goals have dried up from Tav, our centre halves aren't much of a threat from set pieces and our other midfield and attacking players simply don't score often enough. Lyon had goals right across their forward line. I don't think there is much we can do about that. We have the squad we have until January at least. Unless someone suddenly emerges that's going to be an ongoing problem. I suspect even if Cerny or Tav had scored early on. and they both should have, we might still have lost, but goals change games, they lift the crowd and force the opposition to change how they play. So who knows. This is a Rangers side in transition. Diomande, Bajrami and of course Butland looked decent last night, others found the pace, power and skill of Lyon to much. Anyone who thinks changing manager, again, in the autumn is he answer is very wrong, in my opinion.

He's not back again is he?

No but you’ve given four even better reasons for a reduced attendance. None of these would have stopped me from going to cheer for the team but times are different now, I suppose. In fact, the times haven’t changed that much. My first Euro Cup game at Ibrox I saw a team with Caldow and McColl in it beaten 1-4 by AC. The Italians were better players, as simple as that.

It was harder for Cerny to miss that open goal last night, took a lot of skill.

We don't have the quality in the final third, even against SPFL diddies; but we've been saying that for a couple of seasons. Bajrami is an improvement. If we can get more of his quality we'll be better.

Sorry, but I cant understand that logic. Their league form is nothing to do with our ability to beat them considering they will play better teams than us most weeks. I think so many Rangers fans are stuck in some parallel universe to me where we should be beating sides like Lyon for fun. You will enjoy the games v Man U and Spurs. Clubs who trade players for more than our entire club is worth.

We got beat by Lyon at home under Gerrard too, my argument is fine, I don't think you understand it. We can still make it to the business end of the EL this season. If we beat FCSB, USG and take something from Nice and Olympiacos we will get through. In fact the year we made the final, before we reached the EL we were beaten twice by a Malmo side who I'm not sure are much better than this seasons after making a tough job of some eastern European postmen in Alashkert shirts. When we started the Europa under Gerrard we suffered consecutive defeats by Lyon and Sparta Prague. But took 4 points from Brondby before Gio took over and we beat Prague and drew with Lyon in essentially a dead rubber. Dortmund was an outlier, if we had played them 10 times we would probably have lost 5 times, drawn a couple and won a couple. Leipzig too, I think they were spooked by the occasion that night at Ibrox while our team rose to it, it was a perfect storm. Red Star Belgrade and Braga no. Even Frankfurt were not a big spender in comparison to many German teams at the time. But like I say that team we had that made it to the Europa league was paid more, had been bought for more and had gelled more than what we have now. I think there is some revisionism for many supporters around Gerrard and our run to Seville. The getting a hiding from a very expensively assembled Lyon at Ibrox is just how it is. And everyone needs to pull up the big boy trousers and look forward to Sunday and 3 points, and longer term reinforcements in January's transfer window.

Rangers were very good in the Europa League during the last few years. Sometimes because teams did not know you and the players, sometimes because of luck, sometimes both. Yesterday, you played the same players like in every other game, and very open. It was clear at the Hibernian game which I saw with Der Berliner that this only works if all players are up for it. There was little change for yesterday, and quality like Lyon will punish you like no Edinburgh team will ever do. I would have "plugged their teeth" with more physical players and pressing, and waited for opportunities like in Malmö. It is a bit strange that you constantly play the same system.

Yes it's time we stopped making comments about Scottish referees; we've been cheated often enough in Europe too.

I noticed that too, and he actually got a tackle in on Fofana, which no one else managed the whole game.

I'd like to see more of Nana. I might be wrong, but was there not a moment when he was moaning at or encouraging his teammates? More of that.

The bipolar support is here. We've bought some decent players. Others, not so good. That's the market we're in. I enjoyed watching Diamonde and Raskin get annoyed tonight. I'm sick of our players playing like they couldn't care less.

Some understandable disappointment from fans after last night. Have to concede I'm losing faith in the manager's ability to get more from this team but equally annoyed with various players' contributions from missing sitters, to poor passing and defending. Changes tomorrow?

There’s a post match photo of Arsenal ground staff looking bewildered by the huge quantity of empties they had collected. I wasn’t there but I’d been at the losing Ibrox match where my memory of the away support is a one old man entirely on his own dancing down PRW carrying a decorated candle lantern. He saw John Crossan play as a man inspired for his team. I don’t think Crossan did anything much after that.

When McSweggan scored the sort of goal that Archimedes might have scored if he had been a footballer.

It's not as black and white as that. It is clear that Lyon (who spent over 150 million) are miles ahead of a CL team like Slovan Bratislava for example.

Over the top nonsense.

Twente managed a draw at Old Trafford, which shows if you have the right mentality and tactical approach, that sometimes budgets can be irrelevant.

What a pair of wingers Lyon have !! From a football perspective, worth the admission money.

Individual errors, missing a bonafide sitter, etc don't help but Lyon were simply a far better team. Their middle to front players made the most of the space we presented them with. That, IMO is down to the manager. How he set up the team and the players he selected. Clement has a very difficult remit. We don't want to hear excuses but it is going to a gunfight with a wooden sword. But, last night he compounded the situation through his own decisions.

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Someone who can hold the ball up, does well against the scum and generally isn't an embarrassment.

I'd just like to reiterate how much I can't stand Cyriel Dessers. A diving fanny and a person who does nothing but make excuses for his poor play. His demeanour, constantly complaining to referees and opposition players (none of whom are listening) whilst play goes on, is utterly pathetic and not becoming of a professional sportsman. He's useless when it counts. We really need to get rid of him.

No none are an upgrade. We now only seem to sign out-of-contract players, misfit loans & anyone not costing an excessive transfer fee. The result was there for all to see tonight

We should've skelped Malmo about 5-0 a week ago.

Our level is against teams with similar financial clout playing in similar leagues regardless of what European competition they are in. There are teams in the CL we could take.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/olympique-lyon/transfers/verein/1041/saison_id/2024 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/olympique-lyon/transfers/verein/1041/plus/?saison_id=2023&pos=&detailpos=&w_s= For anyone scunnered I suggest reading the above links and resetting expectations. We were a long shot tonight and it didn’t come off. Move on quickly and focus on the games and competitions where we can compete.

I'm still waiting to see signs of a style. Tonight we passed the ball out to our full backs who simply hit long and hopeful balls into the box from deep positions. It was like watching a game from 2 years ago

Think my 1st European game was a 2-1 win over Porto 1983/84 season. The next season saw us play Bohemians (lucky to beat them to be honest) then a 3-1 home win against Inter Milan who had Liam Brady and Karl Heinz Rummenigge amongst others. We lost 3-0 in the away leg with Ally McCoist missed an absolute sitter. Jock Wallace played outgoing captain and centre half John McClelland as centre forward.

Was that a 5-5 aggregate? Derek Clarke on the Rangers review posted on twitter he picked up a programme from this game at a sports memorabilia game in Northampton the other day. Edit - actually it was red star Belgrade, but also at Highbury, 4th November 1964.

We nearing 50 pitches level these days in a sad slow decline were not even a force in Scotland now

This was my biggest concern of the night to be honest.

One of my first European games was at Highbury against Sparta a play off

When Lawrence was subbed at halftime, why was Dowell brought on? Thought the obvious move was to put Bajrami in his favoured 10 position and put McCausland out wide. We pad over £4M for a number 10 and he's never played there for us.

Total shambles from the top of the tree to the bottom

Mine's was 2-2 versus Marseille. They battered us until about 76 minutes, when we heroically turned it around.

Well, we can do the German mentality thing and blame our players etc. more than we take that step back and look at the opposition. As Idisi said, the second half of the Hibs (!!!) game was really poor, and I didn't look forward to last night, knowing what little change Clement would do - and was able to do. We are where we are and have the players showing this. What Clement has to deliver is a team that grabs the title and with it a chance for the golden automatic CL slot. We'll get slaughtered by the same teams that came and will come to Ibrox this season, but at least we can start building a team. That's the dire reality - and probably the very same which Swedish, Danish and other low-key league teams' face. My main bone of contention remains the lack of change in players and system according to the task at hand. It broke, Warburton, McCoist, Caixinha, SG, Gio, and Beale. Madness really ... if you remember how few managers we had before Sir Walter.

Oops, autocorrect on. Meant Barron.

Remember too that Lyon spent €150m in the summer

Yes, I think one problem we have in general is that our squad is very small and slight. And its my main gripe with our recruitment at the moment. If you look across the city at the 2 biggest signings, both are big lads.

If we would have sold him in the summer for the money reported to the team in the MLS it wouldn’t have been difficult to find an upgrade.

We struggle massively when teams play at pace.

Glad to see Cerny is off. Can save him for a Lammers esque performance on Sunday.

Dessers has been dug meat, and Cerny the end product of said comestible.

14 million buys you quality. Pennies gets you Cerny for a year.

If it was 1-2 I'd still fancy our chances. That third really takes it away from us.