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24TH March 1887. Rangers required funds to help with the move from Kinning Park to First Ibrox and subsequently a committee was formed which was chaired by Tom Vallance. The ‘’Monster Concerts’’ which were organised proved to be extremely popular with the people of Glasgow and sold out . The outlets shown at the bottom of the concert advert show that tickets could be purchased from Harry and Peter McNeil’s shop on Union Street , and from George Gillespie and James Watson who both played in that legendary series of games that was the 1877 Scottish Cup Final. This was the lads who’d formed our Club, and others from our early years, fund-raising to help their dream of owning our own ground become a reality. This was the Rangers in the process of moving to Ibrox and somewhere we could call home. The Waterloo Rooms stood on the corner of Waterloo Street and Wellington Street and was used by Rangers for meetings during season 1888-89. In 1910 it became The Alhambra Theatre which was demolished in 1971. Today it’s the Alhambra House office block.

Club 1872 are running with the safe standing thing for the wrong reason they're doing it because they think it's popular not because it's the right thing to do. The right thing to do is to ensure that the disabled facilities are brought up to date and the attitude of the Club towards its disabled fans is brought out of the Victorian era and into the 21st century. The lack of a safe standing section will have no effect on our various licences needed to operate the stadium and play in European competitions but one day our inadequate disabled facilities will. Club 1872 like the Club itself pay lip service to the issues facing disabled fans and the consequences of having such a stance.

It's how democracy works buddy. When it comes to elections or selections between board members experience has taught me to expect the worst. However it doesn't mean we cancel trying to get what we want.

I see a memorial service was held for him today in Clydebank (Everton Heritage Society were involved). He had one cap for Scotland, was an Everton captain and also the first captain of Liverpool. He played for Renton and then WBA before moving to Merseyside. Quite an interesting story and it seems the Everton Heritage Society are not too dissimilar to our Founders Trail.

Fans bodies are too reactionary as if their immediate thoughts must be known. Until a fans group can attract the support of the majority of fans they should be treated as a minority opinion.

A QP player being offered the chance to play for us? Is he really that bitter? It's an easy thing to say, particularly once you've made it, but I find it hard to believe he's have turned us down.

If you ever want to really annoy an Aberdeen fan tell them that when Aberdeen FC play five-a-sides at training and the players split themselves into two teams and the teams they pick are Rangers fans v Celtic fans. That's true too.

Yes not just between the board and the fans, but between the fans also. very disheartening all round.

We are going to be doing more shows Compo with things like that that on it. I believe you Boabie and 26th are already pencilled in to do something like that.

Maybe you could have a bit were older fans could recall their memories in a tales from the terrace before the stadium became all seated , your memories of fellow fans and some of the characters you got ,did you always stand in the same place etc .

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Maybe because we struggle to agree on anything.

I believe the boards of most football clubs have a love-hate relationship with their supporters. They rely on the support for income and will always make the right noises when commenting on the importance of the fans to the future of their club. At the same time, chairmen and directors tend to be very vary of their fans and view them with suspicion. It's in the DNA of most club directors to want to keep fans at a respectable arms length and certainly out of the boardroom. I think it's no different at Rangers.

Having read the comments on the thread, I find myself still scratching my head with regard to fan involvement with the management of the club. Does anyone agree that the shareholder interests among the differing equity blocks in all likelihood vary significantly in nature? As such, I'd love to find out what the number one priority of each shareholding is with regard to the reasons for buying shares. Therein lies the potential for a fundamental disconnect between fan investment and other investors. Club wellbeing aside, I struggle to see the current impasse between the varying interests being resolved to the satisfaction of the 'fans' anytime soon. Would the offer of a secured loan from Club 1872 result in the organisation being viewed differently from the board's perspective? Would Club 1872 seek to defer any potential future dividend in return for something else? Did the RFFF money which is being used for the stand etc. at Auchenhowie have any conditions attached? All investors want some sort of return. The difference is how the return manifests itself.

I think that's a really interesting point and it's something I've been thinking about since this thread started. There are just too many challenges facing us having a seat on the board. One of the main ones for me is still the confidentiality angle. I can't imagine any of the directors or shareholders being happy at the prospect of a rep feeling obliged to disclose (or rather leak) information of a sensitive nature to satisfy the demands of the membership, especially if they want to be voted in again. However that side, as you say, we need to think about where we can add value. And if we can agree on that, perhaps that's where we focus our intention instead. The issue is, can we agree on that? Buying shares seems like an objective we can all get behind. But what other shared objectives could we have? - Addressing the media imbalance? This to me is a real contender because it's something I believe we are all in agreement about and something that can be done separately from the club. - Lobbying for a better match day experience? Football aside, there is lots that could be done to improve the experience for us. The 'entertainment' pre match is almost non existent, and the food is absolutely shocking. Even if I'm hungry I can't bring myself to eat anything in the stadium these days. Then there's the facilities for the disabled. I then started to think about other shared objectives and realised there's perhaps something even more important that we could do. Since the future of our club is likely to be youth development, is this something we could focus on? I was thinking of something along the lines of: - Regional Rangers football academies (funded by Club 1872 in part or in full); - Obviously an exclusive deal with the club to have first options on the players; - A standard sell on clause which means that Club 1872 then gets some money reinvested from sales of these players to further expand the network; and - Reduced or free tickets for youngsters to attend matchdays at Ibrox to encourage the next generation. I'm a business guy so I always think about sustainability, partnerships, investment and returns, and this seems like it's at least worth considering. It would mean that we could operate independently of the football club, but maintain a strong working relationship with them, meaning we could offer a respected opinion on developments in the club. It would also open the door for future investment into Club 1872 meaning that it could eventually become self funding. One of my fears is that we lose the next generation so we need to be thinking of ways we can attract youngsters in the same way we were as kids. If Club 1872 wants to make a material difference to the future of Rangers, why not focus on the young bears? I'd pay for that.

Agreed. Ultimately, we was the wrong signing as he never really looked properly fit and hopefully (finally?!) it's a lesson learned that 90% of the time if past high quality players are plying their trade in far flung places it means they've effectively retired and certainly not capable of playing again in the high tempo of Scottish football.

You can never fault a man for trying

Says a lot about Niko's attitude that he didn't allow a really bad injury in 2016 to stop him trying to get back fully fit and playing. Didn't work out for him in the end but he'll always be welcome back to Ibrox.

I personally see it like a hung government. The smaller party can either want to govern with or go in opposition of. If our foot on the board is one person who will have very little say on matters and virtually tie the hands of club 1872, then I would say we should be looking at this from an opposition role. let the board know they have the full backing but they will not be guaranteed that backing in matters that is not in the interest of the club 1872 shareholders or RFC in general. I personally think C1872 is far stronger as an opposition block than one foot in the door.

Clarke is the first manager to get a tune out of boyd in years

He looks like the sort of guy that could do a job for us in defence...a smiling assassin type. If he's that great maybe we could trade him for Alves, and throw Cardoso in too to sweeten the deal.

And Aberdeen only seem to do well when they've got an ex-Rangers man as manager

If there is any interest in Moult ( and I'm not convinced there is) then it should be on a loan basis only. Perhaps a six month loan with an option to buy.

He gave us what he could for as long as he could. He was always a short-term rental. Good luck to him.

Yes Gaffer each member had an election manifesto published on the C1872 website, i think you can go on and read them or the old ones, they also did a live question and answer section were you could ask each individual questions on their publish manifesto/

Thanks Boabie you mention two great names there Davie Smith a very good replacement for Slim Jim and Andy penman signed from Dundee. Remember going to see Andy's debut game,in a reserve match,within a decent crowd.It was also the day of the Grand National in which Foinavon had the crazy historic win,there were so many transistor radios on it might have been possible that even the players heard the race.

It's usually a couple of paragraphs, Gaffer. Nothing very in-depth. I remember them standing a couple of years ago and I think there were videos - like mini party political broadcasts, where they stated their area of expertise and their intentions. Again though, all a bit superficial.

Something I find myself moaning about constantly. We love an argument amongst ourselves - if it isn't about the catering at Ibrox or our latest away top, it's whether we prefer Mike Ashley or Dave King. We make it easy for those who hate us.

I give more credence to the Viz letters page than to the Daily Record.

Working on the basis that the more we discuss the great Ted Moult, the less we need to say about Louis Moult or this "Tommy" character, I thought a visual introduction to the snipperwhapper generation....

One wonders if this character if ever actually supported Scotland, or if his allegiances lay -lie- furth of this country.

You get the impression that Yahoos spend their every waking hour obsessing about Rangers. What a pitiful existence.