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You can leave the church in the village, but the congregation have gone, they've lost their faith.

Gerrard was shown patience, even in the face of a number of disappointing results, because most of the support could see progress. We could see what Rangers were trying to do, we could see improvement on and off the pitch. We'd a style of play most of us enjoyed watching, we'd signings that improved the starting 11 and so after a disappointing result, while there were moans and annoyance, the majority of our support backed Gerrard because we could see what he was building and felt it would come right. The difference now is I can't see what he's trying to build. I don't know what style of play we're nurturing and so far only our keeper looks like a new signing that's improved our starting 11. Whatever faults GvB might have had Colak, Tillman and Lawrence all started their careers well, even Davies looked like a good addition early on. Supporters can be quick to judge and we're prone to extremes of emotion. But, we're not blind at the same time. Our pre season matches were concerning, our defeat to Kilmarnock was a worry, our victories in the league have been welcome, but not without nervousness. We did well against an out of form Servete, then were played off the park, twice, by PSV, a side we bested 12 months ago, then turned in a very poor performance, at home, against as weak a Celtic side as we've faced in 3 seasons. Seriously, can you point to something that mitigates Beale, something that points to better times to come?

The vote is 21-17. WTF?! How? What is it you've seen that you want him to continue?

We will be worse off without Borna right now so I say no.

Just what we need, a manager only able to communicate with the players through a translator. No thanks.

Disagree. After getting pounded by PSV, we didn't exactly respond well a few days later, so maybe we need a break (I know I'm glad we're not playing for a couple of weeks). And it's the perfect opportunity to replace the manager.

How about catching and punishing actual criminals? Or maybe just stop people who have worked hard all week enjoy a day out at the football. Thats much easier.

It’s like the consultant telling you that you’re needing an operation in all cases it’s the sooner the better never leave it to late because you have a better chance of recovery.

Should PLG have been given two full seasons? Caixinha joined in March, and before the end of the season he'd managed to get hammered 5-1 to Celtic at Ibrox and lost 2-1 to Aberdeen at Ibrox. In 10 league games he managed to drop points in 4. In other words, the writing was on the wall from the very beginning. Should we not have sacked him? And saved him the hassle of explaining himself from a bush a few months later?

Whilst Sundays defeat lays firmly at the door of Beale some of the vitriol directed at him online has been beyond the pale.

The reason Beale needs sacking is because, 10 months in, he shows no signs of ever taking us in a direction likely to lead to the league title. That simple truth isn't any less valid because fans can't agree on a replacement manager. How many times do we have to go through the death throes of inept managers to learn the lesson that delaying the decision to sack him only makes matters worse?

While the board have the benefit of seeing what's going on behind the scenes and speaking with the management team and players and so seeing a fuller picture than we do, they're also well aware of supporter sentiment plus are watching the same performances we are. I've no inside information but I'd be astonished if directors haven't discussed it, even informally. They know Beale is under pressure, Beale knows he's under pressure. I doubt anything will happen in the coming days, but I do think he's only a couple more poor performances away from the board deciding this can't go on. Beale doesn't have credit in the bank, it would be hard for any board to simply ignore supporter sentiment for an extended period. If Rangers can somehow find form and start winning with some style then Beale will be fine, the challenge the board have is whether they think that scenario is likely.

The fact the transfer windows aren't standardised are a total joke.

I know a lot of Bears talk up Souttar but he's cost us a few important goals. Definitely needs to improve his concentration levels.

Half-time on Sunday, I'd say.

You jest, of course and earn scornful laughter from Rousseau but auld Dick would have a plan, albeit unsophisticated and would drill the players to implement it as best they might and he would eliminate all midfield dwamming waiting for something to happen. The team only wakens up when the happening turns out to be the ball in Rangers’ net then they scurry about a bit.

The DoF model appointed Beale, was then ditched before summer recruitment. The board had obviously saw the success of Postecoglou's recruitment and let Beale do his thing in the transfer market.....The board will see that the successful recruitment on the other side of the city lost three league games by mid September but then developed into a team (I don't see Beale doing the same but the board after spending the money probably have to give him a little longer). Now the talk is about getting the DoF model back in place before a new managerial appointment. We are all over the place trying to make up ground quickly and run before we can walk. Previously it was about gambling on too many 'outside bets' (players with quality who could be had on the relative cheap because they had significant issues, mostly injury related). I said at the time that it wouldn't work and would actually hinder a more medium term approach that might eventually work. On the finances, the board are doing their level best but it isn't easy. I am no defender of Beale. He is just another symptom of an more profound ongoing issue.

Not if we get a good manager in. That meek performance against a makeshift yahoo side was a disgrace and that's mainly down to Beale, who is so obviously incapable of managing at a club like Rangers. Blaming the support is weird.

I'll admit to being grumpy, comes with the territory, but as for being an attack poodle, I identify as a Shih tzu. I was merely stating an opinion if that's OK with you. (did someone resign and make you grand master of GersNet discussion forums?) His leaving would have an impact IMO as he is the best option we current have at left back and its an unknown how it would effect our fortunes (unless you have a crystal ball or are related to Mystic Meg). Ridvan is like the invisible man, Sterling is right-footed so more suited to RB, Devine is a decent prospect but not ready for 1st team, same could be said of Yfeko but at this moment in time, he's probably the best option as a replacement but largely untried. Maybe there is another left back hiding somewhere in our squad but can't think of anyone else.

Prob because he has just taken another job.

I think those guys (I don't know much about Biscan) are out of our league, but I agree with your point.

In my opinion I haven't seen anything of Ridvan to make me think he will be a suitable replacement for Barasic. If Barasic leaves then we will be much worse off.

You can say what you want but Rangers will miss him. We were poor overall on the field against them. We were barren up that left side. That makes us so much easier to deal with.

It's ready and waiting

So will the league title.

I think our problems are greater than whether Barasic stays or goes to be honest.

Have you got the UEFA Conference League logo avatar ready, @weebluedevil... ?

I honestly don’t think it matters greatly if he stays or leaves.

I'm fairly certain Beale won't be fired during the break but the board will have some sort of timeline for improvements in performances and results. Every match looks tricky with our current form and I think it's evident a large percentage of the support have made our minds up. For me, not firing him now is just delaying the inevitable and he'll be gone before the year is out.

They 'referee' to fuck up The Rangers, if you ask me.

He has made many mistakes (livi away, them away, Kille away) in a very small sample of games. It remains to be seen if this is just bad luck or a trend.

More like the runners in a seaside donkey derby

Rangers are broken again. All the points made on this thread are valid and, I understand the urgency in attempting to rectify the situation. Impatience is very rarely a good thing. As stated, the club has had 11 Gaffers in 11 years, five temporary appointments and six permanent. The longest lasting, Gerrard at three and half years provided the necessary continuity to deliver the Premiership. The Board appeared to have financially backed Michael Beale and this adds to our collective frustration. If we are living within our means, how much dosh is left? I am driving at the financial compensation due to the current Boss and his staff then, there's the cost of compensating another club(if that is the road we decide to travel) for their Manager and staff. Of course, there are those who will argue we cannot afford to wait but, our Board might be constrained by an overriding consideration. It is something to consider?

It was last Sunday at 3pm

This very minute. There is an argument to let him go on to the end of the year but I’m not persuaded by it.

When is the right time?

Dick Campbell 😆

Potter (Harry)

There have to be great options out there but I have no trust in the board to find them. Celtic found Ange because of the city group link. It just feels like any appointment we make will be very risky because we don’t know how to look for managers.

Suppose that's true but would be interesting to see the panic and pants messing from those in the WC queue🤣

I was under the impression the Police were under-resourced? Surely they have more important things to be dealing with.

NB: While there is every reason to give Lowry game-time away from Ibrox, sending Hagi on loan too was a mistake. Maybe Lawrence and Lammers can cover for Cantwell, but his creativity is only rivalled by Hagi.

Instead of asking 'should he be sacked'. Ask - Why should he be kept on. The answers 'its too early' or 'he beat Celtic in that last dead rubber' don't answer the question.

I agree with your point, but I actually think all the new forwards fit - except Dessers. Lammers' stats suggested a pressing forward, which fits a high press. I never thought he was a #10, which is where he has been played. Cantwell is far superior and had been very effective in that role. But, you're right, it has been a mess, in terms of set-up and use of players. It's a different front three every week! I don't know why he hasn't built on some interesting ideas, re the diamond. Perhaps he can't, or doesn't know how? I have other issues with recruitment, too.

Done their job won them the game!

And Connor gave a Morelos goal offside in a 2-2 draw at ibrox against Motherwell when it was shown he couldn’t possibly see him from where he stood on the touch line