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Well done Killie, you outran us, out worked us and, outfought us. The stats back it up, in 96 minutes of football we had one shot on target. I thought Rangers were truly woeful.

If only the players hurt as much as the fans.

That wasn't a team we fielded today , Killie fielded a team , all we could come up with was just a bunch of supposedly good players masquerading as a team. I fear yet another long hard season.

PS: I want Sakala back!

An early contender for forum post of the new season.

Here's the bizarrest fact you'll hear on here today. In my younger years, I once modeled as Richard Hannay for an illustrated version of the 39 Steps. Still got a copy in the loft somewhere.

Here's the thing, pre season is pre season. Means nothing, nothing on the line no trophies no points. Today was a big game. Did we win - no Did we play well - no Did any of our players from last year give any indication that they will add value - no Did any of our new players give any indication that they will add value - no Did our best players from last season when we finished the season well play well - Raskin | no / Cantwell didn't start | don't know why Was our management team surprised at the way a McInnes Kilmarnock team played - it looked like it Did he see this then change it - didn't look like it Did we utilise our attacking fullbacks - no Did we utilise out midfielders who can shoot from distance on a park that has an un predictable bounce - no Do we look any better than this time last year under van Bronkhorst - no Do we look like we have a shape or cohesive gameplan - no Do we look good at the back - no Can we rely on a Soutter who has played about 10 games and made 3 massive mistakes (livi away last year, celtic away last year, today) - no Do we look dangerous upfront - no We have removed cantwell who finished last season strongly and replaced him with Lammers who did nothing of note today and although scored a few goals in pre season raised concerns about the overall shape / cohesiveness of the team. - Why? Did we look like we wanted it more than them - no. I could go on. The manager has had a full pre season to work with these guys, what were they doing?

The players have had a very poor pre-season and have now failed at the very first hurdle. We are now trailing Celtic by 3 points. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking valid questions of the players and the manager. We made very early signings so that we could be prepared for the first game of the season and we have fucked it mate, we fucked it.

I wish he'd never been appointed. I've been saying that since that day.

Sometimes you have to play a wild card - today for instance.

I thought this season would be different but no. Same old daundering about the park. Why are new players playing in the same way as the players we got rid of? It must be coming from the old lags and the fact is, Beale is one of them. His return trip via Villa and QPR doesn’t seem to have done him any good. If you can play like Beckenbauer, you can stroll about like a lord. Otherwise you’ve got to run. What’s Sakala doing these days?

Nothing to do with the surface both sides have to play on it and throughout a season others go there and thump them

McInnes had Beale’s number today

I would not have picked that team, but those players are good enough if they played like a disciplined team with a plan.

Disorganized garbage from our coaching staff again. We were a shambels today.

Our best player since the last window was on the bench today. I wasn't overly keen on Beale when we appointed him. Then he steadied the ship and I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, pre-season and today has put me back in the 'he's not good enough' camp and it will take a fair old turnaround to change that. His poor tactics and team selection were largely responsible for that lot winning both cups.

Well, that was a really disappointing performance. I'll be honest, I'm sick of the sight of Tav and Barisic. What does Dowell bring to the midfield? I don't see anything there at all. We need to sort things out fast if we want to stay in the title race because Celtc beat every other side with ease.

A similar score line today with us at least playing good football and creating some chances would have been, at least for me, palatable. It would have offered some hope. No idea what that was today. Was like watching a junior game but that's hard on junior teams. And I don't want to hear excuses about the pitch. If we play on the surface of the moon we should still be the better team.

I can only go on the performances I have seen. None of them look like game breakers, to be frank. The fact that clubs paid substantial fees means little. In fact, that they are no longer at those clubs, and have not commanded big outlays, is more telling.

The good news is that if Hibs or St Mirren beat the other by more than two goals tomorrow, we'll move up to 9th.

Well the warning signs have been there all preseason. There are no excuses for that. Hot take - I think a quality centre mid would change this team more than a quality centre back.

People aren't always writing off the players. Valid questions are being asked. The off season has been very exciting, but again warnings have been said about the types of players we are signing. Some have really suspect histories and the idea they will simply turn it around at Ibrox does not convince me.

One game played and already playing catch-up the front three look likely they don’t know their arse from their elbow

I was never one of the slaters and Sakala is never a saviour but he’s scored goals where other haven’t apart from Tavernier (Pen)

S-b-g isn’t saying that at all. He’s just very doubtful about the manager’s capabilities and has been since last season.

Spent a fortune on forwards and created nothing against a team which is basically an elevated junior outfit on some B&M faux grass. Acceptable? Not for me. Not sorry if that upsets you.

Not really, which is why I want a new manager

I've seen this film before. There were times when I thought I was watching a Gio side. We haven't had a court case for a while, perhaps he could sue for plagiarism

That young Mayo looks good. I wonder where they got him from... ?

There's a player there. We just need to rekindle it. Hopefully a goal or assist today will do that.

I expect us to play the last old firm match with a 100 percent record 😉

I am willing to accept the team are still gelling together after the much needed transformation the team has had over the summer but that result was quite deflating not in losing but in the lack of cutting edge we had in attack ok Killie defended well but we were just anonymous in attack , Beale has got to get it right from here on starting with a servette or the pressure will quickly ramp up.

You're conflating every knee-jerk argument made and directing them as you see fit. I've actually always argued - wrongly, in many ways - that the squad was fine; that it was the coach's inability to get the most out of it. I think our squad now is even better. Yet the coach isn't doing much with them. Perhaps it needs even more time? I expected to get some sort of clue by now. He'll not be sacked any time soon. It'll not stop my heart fluttering after any good coach that's available. Oliver Glasner, anyone?

And what is Beale doing after 6 months, £15M and a pre-season?

It was merely an example to show that it's possible. I want to see us win playing good footbalI. There are many different shades of good football, though. I don't need to see us play like 70s Brazil to be entertained.

Walter's second spell when we won 3 titles in a row and may have won a 4th (2012 n all that) I'd love to be that "bored" right now!

Also, I'd just say that this was the least surprising result in ages. Which is depressing.

Sima, Lammers and Dessers may turn out to be excellent players but did we have fierce competition for their signatures?

Agreed, but I expected something more by now. Anything. His football bores me. It always has. I don't think that will change.

It was all Barisic's fault. Everything.

Not sure what to think after watching that. One of the biggest take aways for me (amongst many), was how poor our captain was. Don't want to single anyone out but we should look to him for leadership. Couldn't get my head around him running 60 yards across the pitch to take the ball of Lundstram for a throw in. Lundstram could have used a quick throw but Tav had to come across and take it. Anyways, I'm going to get pissed.

I didn't. Sakala offers something others don't in that position. Danilo and Sakala play different positions, wild to compare them.

Got beat.

He’s had more than one game. He lost 3 cups last year. Fact.

Fucking pathetic talking about sacking a manager just now! the board has just invested a lot of money in players the manager wanted!. This place is getting worse than FF.

When did he take over last year, how many trophies on the table and what did he win.

He is a bog standard SPFL centre half. Nothing more, nothing less

Lundstram hasn't been bad, to be fair.

I'm sure they will allow you some time to recover.! #red_raw Shit gets real this evening. Will be an interesting watch. Can't reasonably expect dynamic fluidity middle to front yet but we should have enough relative quality to create openings. Obviously, the defence need to do better than we have seen thus far

They'll be happy come kick-off so you'll be fine. 😉